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    No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

    Posted by Earls on 12/3/2024, 8:25:52

    Outlaws has become a chore. Sure, everyone still gathers together when it matters. But no-one can sensibly claim it hasn’t got a lot worse over the past year, thanks to an infestation of trolls and impersonators.
    Saying “Ignore them” doesn’t work - I’m no longer sure when the real NaG is posting, for instance.
    It might not be the perfect solution, but surely registration would help. All I’ve seen against it is “It’ll never happen,” without any Admin explaining why not.
    I could be wrong here - wouldn’t be the first time - but the Pros and Cons seem to be:

    Pros:
    Stops impersonators of other posters
    Stops people using multiple aliases to repeat the same point
    Stops people using multiple aliases to make it look like loads of different people agree with their point
    Stops other clubs’ trolls
    Stops our own trolls
    Makes people think twice about posting something too horrible
    Easier to kick out persistent idiots
    Stops spam

    Cons:
    Too much effort to set up?
    Can’t be done in the current board hosting?
    Some people like Outlaws’ steam-driven chic

      Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

      Posted by Farhat on 12/3/2024, 11:36:05, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

      You need to convince this lot of wastrels. Good luck with that.....

      Link: https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1701604468.top

      Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/3/2024, 11:07:56, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

      I'm unlikely to post the likes of "oh I wet my knickers" if that's any help.

      Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

      Posted by hatters1988 on 12/3/2024, 10:45:57, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

      Not really up for discussion, its been done to death repeatedly and the stance is very very clear.

      It can be annoying, but this place is quality when it needs to be. Be it for advice of a serious nature (including mental and sarcastic replies), open discussion, or simply a band of brothers coming together for a cause.

      There's simply no place like it, and it wouldn't be the same with registration.

        Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

        Posted by Travelhat on 12/3/2024, 10:15:49, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

        Half a season in the Prem and now even the message board needs sanitising. Sheesh.

          Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

          Posted by pingu on 12/3/2024, 9:06:14, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

          plenty of other forums out there and also tools to build a registered site.

            Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

            Posted by Madpig on 12/3/2024, 10:53:01, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

            Strangely, when you try to build a forum you get vilified on here.
            The message board is what it is. Sometimes the level of hate displayed on here is somewhat concerning. I'd hate for that to manifest itself in either stalking or even physical attacks, although there is a degree of stalking has certainly ramped up now.

              Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

              Posted by crumpsall on 12/3/2024, 11:20:48, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

              First sentance not true. The only times people have been vilified on here for trying have been when they've been sneaky and snidey about Outlaws on here and elsewhere. Don't think your board attracted any nastiness, or Fools?

              Whereas a previous attempt- Outlaws.2 - tried to steal our identity and posters. And then there was the attempt by a non-Luton fan (think you interacted with him too?) which flopped instantly - no idea what the genuine motivation for that was.

              So we continue. Others are welcome to do whatever they want.

              Totally agree with your second paragraph

                Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                Posted by Madpig on 12/3/2024, 12:24:51, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                That forum was a weird one Crumps. Originally I was just gonna help him set it up, but I got sucked into the quicksand.
                I've now given up trying to defend those that throw me to the crocodiles every time.
                However, it would be bloody fascinating to know exactly how many real individual posters are on here.

                  Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                  Posted by crumpsall on 12/3/2024, 12:50:42, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                  And also how many read but don't post. Judging by people I know or randomly meet at/around games, that seems to be a huge number

                    Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                    Posted by Madpig on 12/3/2024, 13:10:35, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                    For me, that's the big plus of no sign in. You can pop in, have a peek, and bugger off again.
                    Engage or not, your choice

                      Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                      Posted by Lutonthru&thru on 12/3/2024, 13:15:15, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                      You can view posts without signing in on a board with registrations. I do it all the time on other club’s forums (even scum’s), so not sure what you mean?

                        Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                        Posted by Madpig on 12/3/2024, 14:27:58, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                        Yep, absolutely, but they tend to be far more ' groomed' than here. It not always a quick process to reach to thread you want, but yes, you can indeed browse.
                        The joy of here is that you can participate too if you feel so driven

                Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                Posted by pingu on 12/3/2024, 10:57:55, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                no vilification from anyone involved in the admin side, we actively encourage people to be diverse and try their own boards.

                there are odd balls in all walks of life, the internet is no different, in fact its even worse. roll with the punches.

                  Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                  Posted by Madpig on 12/3/2024, 12:27:12, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                  I've no axe to grind with admin at all. Quite the opposite. Running this is a monumental task, and considering the venom that flows around here, it's done bloody well.

              Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

              Posted by Music Critic on 12/3/2024, 8:49:03, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

              I know I'm going against the grain but I think the time has come for registration now for the reasons you list

              Admin's job must be a dull, repetitive nightmare at times. Reading and deleting dross loafs of times every day

              The argument has often been "well, set up your own board..." but while Outlaws exists this will always be the easier, hassle-free place to come. If this didn't exist in its current guise, AFC Outlaws would do fine with registration I reckon

              The more alarming thing is the miserable, empty lives the trolls must lead. Presumably middle-aged or old people wasting what is left of their obviously dull existences trolling Outlaws. Tragic

              Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

              Posted by boz on 12/3/2024, 8:43:01, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

              There is a strong reason for not. Very very strong by the ppl that know. It won’t ever go registration. Accept it.
              A solution, totally ignore trolls til admin can mop it up. They will fuck off 🙂

                Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                Posted by Earls on 12/3/2024, 8:47:29, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                What is it, then? The itk secrecy looks cliquey and unnecessary, considering Outlaws’ current mess. It’s increasingly impossible to ignore the trolls, when they account for over half the posts some days.

                  Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                  Posted by Sendero Luminoso on 12/3/2024, 9:31:46, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                  Maybe you've identified one of the main reasons why nothing will change under the current administration. It looks busy when it's not.

                  Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                  Posted by jimmyp on 12/3/2024, 8:53:35, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                  According to matey, below, it can't be done in this format and we have however many years paid up.

                  In times gone by, the anonymity has allowed certain people to organise against certain dodgy characters. Hopefully we'll never need to do so again but if we do, it's there.

                  Just avoid the stupid shit, it's easy enough to see it for what it is. Or feel free to set something up yourself.

                  Cheers, Jim

                    Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                    Posted by Lutonthru&thru on 12/3/2024, 10:01:18, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                    “the anonymity has allowed certain people to organise against dodgy characters”
                    How does registration prevent doing similar? Posters are still anonymous to each other, except where they make themselves known to each other outside. Only the board administrators would know ids and I’d doubt there are any situations in which they would be forced to hand over this info to anyone.

                    Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

                    Posted by Earls on 12/3/2024, 9:27:59, in reply to "Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

                    Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated - I hadn’t considered the marshalling against dodgy owners still being necessary.
                    There’s an argument that it isn’t under 2020, of course, but who knows how long we’ll be fortunate for?

              Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

              Posted by Dunstable Dave on 12/3/2024, 8:40:27, in reply to "No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?"

              To be fair, some of the imposters are actually quite amusing.

              Re: No, really, why ISN’T there registration here?

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