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To be fair, and I say this to both sides, an example of how one person reacts, even to this extreme level of vaccination, while interesting, isn't telling about vaccine effectiveness or safety either way.
On a personal note, I will not be having anymore vaccines, I have had Covid Twice, and have had 4 Jabs, for 3 of those jabs, I was wiped out for 3 days, far worse than when I had Covid .
I now an ex work colleague who has had no jabs and no Covid. Equally I had a cousin die from Covid in the time before vaccines.
Reactions to vaccines? There is, unfortunately, always a risk with any medications. It tickles me pink that folks will take drugs but not be vaccinated. However, as I posted below, I'm of an age where I can remember kids in leg irons, from the effects of polio. I can remember pick marked faces from those who survived smallpox. We had diphtheria, that would kill your child, then there were those leaf dead and/or blind from measles. All these were eradicated by vaccines in this country.
But - and I say this not wishing to be drawn into the debate - one person in Germany having 200 and being fine proves as much as a person having one and being considerably ill from it (as has happened).
One person either way is not much of a sample size
One assumes no different. However, as my grandson pointed out, if he ends up still getting COVID it'll be resistant to everything. In all seriousness, it shouldn't have been allowed to happen. I'm a tad surprised you can nip round Berlin's version of Spar and buy a couple of doses along with your lottery ticket
there is no real anti vax "lobby" just a few disparate people with no real access to the Mainstream Media. The "pro vax" "lobby" however is multi trillion dollar pharmacy mega corporations. Only a real brainwashed person could equate a few powerless anti vax people with the power and money of big pharma as having the same impact on government policy
My point was that the OP was keen to identify an "anti vax lobby" which I think whatever your views on vaccines is not really a thing except a few people on youtube versus the pro vax views which dominate the media/government and science. I just find it strange that people feel the need to call out the powerless "nutters" when in fact we should be more worried about those who have total control of the narrative. Back in the old days we just ignored the nutters and the "left" used to focus on the powerful - now it is the opposite
During the pandemic, the anti-vax lobby was definitely a real 'thing', dominating this place for instance with endless repeated posts - made it unbearable for months. And they still hover, as we see when these posts appear.
So entirely applicable to that, ie Outlaws. Tend to agree with you re the wider picture though
As an aside, and not personal, the moment anyone starts talking about 'control of the narrative' every nutter alarm bell goes off in my head: not just re vaccines, but going back through every conspiracy theory and the shadowy figures behind the EDL etc. May just be me, but I feel it has become a very sinister phrase...
It's well documented the government used 'nudge units' to control the narrative, for want of a better phrase, during COVID.
I agree it's now become a bit of a conspiracy catch all.
Also to settle any concerns you didn't have, my kids are up to date on available and scheduled vaccines, so although I have many concerns over the COVID one, I am not anti vaccine.
Unfortunately, the anti-vax lobby is alive and well. At this moment in time children are begging for the measles jab because their very 'aware' parents seem it unsafe. Yes, you get the nutters, like the trolls on here , you can laugh them off, but the real fundamentalists of this faction are putting the health of their children behind their desire to buck the system.
I'm of the age where I can remember people in leg irons from polio and with pock-marked faces from smallpox. All that is a thing of the past because of vaccinations
I asssume that the anti-vaxxers, even if doing what they feel is best for their families, must surely be unaware of the consequences we saw every day back then even in a medically 'advanced' country.
I can look back close to tears knowing what polio did to kids around me - in bloody Leagrave, not deepest Africa or India!
In those days Crumps, they were legitimately called Spastics. We even had the Spastic Society charity to help these folks. Now that term is used as an insult. Sad
The term was originally used to describe those with cerebral palsy, because of the tendency of sufferers' limbs to spasm.
It is now rightly considered to be extremely pejorative.
PS I am thankful that a vaccine is now available against chicken pox. Young Maser Genius caught that as it was going round the school, and nearly died from post-viral encephalitis afterwards.
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