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Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Music Critic on 5/3/2024, 10:59:06
Very bored so had a peek at their forum. I think this post sums it up quite nicely
Carragher wetting himself in rage at Sheff Utd's performance last night but this is another perspective and one I agree with. Bit of a rant but one with some good points...
Posted by The Questioner on 5/3/2024, 15:16:01, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
Indeed it just shows how totally out of touch idiots like Carragher are. How dare he call a football team a disgrace just because they got stuffed. They might be badly run , they have probably made bad decisions but that’s so easy to criticise when you have 6/8 teams continually taking the cream. The deep pockets aren’t just around at transfer time they are there when little Johnny from Sidcup is showing some promise at 8. You have no contract until 16 ….so agents help Mum & Dad out and surprise surprise the best kids end up at the top clubs. It’s fucked and the money is not going to run out as for everyone one of us who get fed up watching the same sides on the tv each week their are billions in Asia that can’t get enough. One thing I have noticed even more than ever this season is the atmosphere in the grounds.Chelsea & Man Utd loads of day trippers and crap. Liverpool & Villa ( to a lesser extent) fantastic. You can’t recreate that without passionate fans.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Ampthill Mob on 5/3/2024, 14:58:38, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
They are poor. Their recruitment has been poor. Signing Hamer and Archer, who were OK last season in the championship, but don't seem the kind that are up for a relegation scrap. They paid £25M for McBurnie and he's absolute crap. Selling their better players at the start of the season obviously didn't help either. I think if Edwards had been with us all of last season, we would have finished above them.
Their issue is that their owner, some Sheik, wants out and has lost interest in running the club. So wasn't interested in spending any dosh in the summer.
I think that’s very easy to say with hindsight. Having watched both Hamer and Archer last year would have been very happy to see them playing for us. It hasn’t worked out …are they now bad players or being managed badly . I wouldn’t have put Ross Barkley down as a relegation scrapper…however he imo is key to us having any chance of staying up.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Herts Hatter on 5/3/2024, 12:58:00, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
The basic sentiment to me is that "normal" clubs can never solidify long term in PL. Even if we stay up in a couple of seasons the finance will catch up with us and we could end up like a Charlton/Bolton/Shef W/Portsmouth etc all of whom had a good few seasons in PL at long term expense. For a league to be competitive it needs genuine new entrants to come along and disrupt the existing elites which has not happened except Leicester but even they had loads of foreign money and are now in a lower League. I tend to agree that allowing all the "mega clubs" in Europe to just have their own league might be the best thing - as things stand about 85 professional clubs are basically just making up the numbers for ever
If we stay up this season, next year will be even harder. I don’t see any of the top 4 in the championship doing a Burnley or Sheff Utd (though the play off winners might if not one of the top 4). Points deductions will be less likely too. Of course Everton could go into admin and Man City might be automatically relegated (yeah, right) which could help.
I don’t think our long term stability would be an issue though, even if we went down next season. 2020 wouldn’t let that happen.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 5/3/2024, 12:30:17, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
Pretty fair, football in England continues to be hopelessly and shamelessly rigged in favour of 6 clubs. Just to make sure of it, they then get the benefit of the vast majority of marginal officiating.
Though the elephant in the room is how both they and Burnley have managed to be so much poorer than the other promoted side ......
Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 5/3/2024, 12:17:56, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
Comments about finances etc would carry more weight if his club wasn't literally owned by a Saudi Prince.
Carragher's ranting is ridiculous though. It's not a "disgrace" that one football team isn't as good as another.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Kurious Oranj on 5/3/2024, 11:56:19, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
I agree about the point that money is the be all and end all. In my view the Premier league lives off its own hype and as a product I don't think it meets its hype. You have the big 6. 3 of those are ill at the moment. 1 has been ill for as long as j can remember.
You then have Newcastle Villa Everton West Ham as regular bridesmaids and then about 50 clubs that want to sit at the top table if only for a few weeks. The Premier league does not want the top 6 damaged or challenged as that is the attraction.
Look how many clubs have spent absurd money to try and be a part of it.
Sunderland ( 5 games in hand ) QPR Reading Cardiff Forest Swansea Stoke ( Still too good for NJ at 22nd in champ ) Portsmouth West Brom Wolves Leeds Bolton Wanderers Norwich Hull Huddersfield Blackburn Those idiots at junction 5
I wish the super league happened as it may have given the rest of football a real opportunity to reset some of the madness currently on show.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Hatter66 on 5/3/2024, 11:21:52, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
If the likes of carragher & others were any good,they wouldn't be getting paid bucket loads for sitting talking garb & stating the bleeding obvious, they would be managers or coaches.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by ELH on 5/3/2024, 11:12:38, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
I broadly agree with the sentiment, but not the analysis. Burnley were in the PL for years and only spent one season down with parachute payments, but cocked up the promotion by failing to adapt like we have with much less resource and starting with less outright quality in the side.
Sheff Utd are different again because of their ownership issues. They probably got worse over the summer, or at least no better. Never going to stay up doing that.
Slightly different angle and from a different thread on their forum but this fella kind of agrees with you:
It's true that there's a growing inequality between the Prem and Champ, but even by recent standards, we've been a special kind of shite this season.
We can't just blame everything on the wealth gap, there's a lot of internal blame as well. Obviously the ownership has been woeful in their approach, but some of our players need to have a long hard look in the mirror.
I think that's fair, the money inequality makes it so much harder for clubs coming up but hell's teeth they must be running out of healthy feet to shoot at by now. They have made a right pig's ear of it.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 5/3/2024, 11:07:02, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
Interesting that they only mention themselves and Burnley; just a passing mention of Luton; nothing about how much better we have done since coming up through the play-offs.
I felt we were a better team than them towards the back end of the season.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 5/3/2024, 11:40:11, in reply to "Re: Sheff Utd - Again"
Agreed, in the second half of last season we were the second best side in the Championship, obviously over the whole season Sheff U were better. We improved our side over the summer to be better than Sheff U and Burnley and now the only one of the three that has a realistic chance of staying up.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by The Cruiser on 5/3/2024, 11:06:57, in reply to "Sheff Utd - Again"
Totally wrong in the assertion that they and Burnley are likely to be the worst performing teams in Premier League history though. Both teams gave already passed the all time low points record.
Re: Sheff Utd - Again
Posted by Cotteridge Hatter on 5/3/2024, 11:29:02, in reply to "Re: Sheff Utd - Again"
However, Derby Co avoided defeat in nine games in their Annus Horriblus, Burnley and the Blades have only avoided defeat 7 times each, so potentially Derby might end up looking better in that respect.
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