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    Attack the best form of defence

    Posted by SAHB on 5/3/2024, 10:15:51

    After watching Sheffield Uniteds capitulation last night it has made me realise our approach of going after teams is the right one.

    Although it can be a tough watch at the times when we are completely exposed, I would prefer that than watching a top team tear us apart without us putting up a fight or trying to create chances.

    We could of had a few hidings ourselves against the top 4 if we had been submissive.

    If we do go down it won't be because we haven't given it real go.

    We should all be proud of how this group of players are playing with real bravery and a never say die attitude.

      Re: Attack the best form of defence

      Posted by Ramridge Raider on 5/3/2024, 10:42:22, in reply to "Attack the best form of defence "

      I don't disagree, particularly at home. However, we are having to chase games far to often at home and leaving ourselves a mountain to climb.

      Maybe we could keep our wing-backs a bit deeper to prevent our cente halves being constantly exposed to one on one's. Keep it tight first half and then have a real go second half.

        Re: Attack the best form of defence

        Posted by Hatters on 5/3/2024, 11:14:34, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

        Agreed, you listen to fans and it does seem like that a lot think we can only be one or the other ultra passive or ultra aggressive, I am sure it is allowed to that we can be more compact at the back but still keep the aggression going fwd. I fully understand that attaining the perfect balance in anything is difficult but that needs to be our ultimate target.

        From a practical point of view, I am sure I will be shot down for this but I am a little surprised we haven't looked more at going to a 4 at the back, something similar to a 4-1-4-1. I know we have switched to this at times during games, so assume we have worked with this in training, so wouldn't be a too big a change.

          Re: Attack the best form of defence

          Posted by SAHB on 5/3/2024, 11:31:22, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

          I think as others that there are times when we need to be more pragmatic, especially the first 15 mins we have conceded too many early in games and also as said below at Newcastle when we were 4-2 up.

          When you look at our team we have players who are good going forward but poor at defending. Doughty, Kabore, Ogbene, Clark a ok pressing high but very poor when having to defend in our half.

          We also lack a leader at the back to organise in front of back 3.

          So we play to the players strengths.

            Re: Attack the best form of defence

            Posted by Hatters on 5/3/2024, 11:41:43, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

            "When you look at our team we have players who are good going forward but poor at defending. Doughty, Kabore, Ogbene, Clark a ok pressing high but very poor when having to defend in our half."

            You would say that about any team though wouldn't you? We also have players that are very good defensively.

            By asking our CB's to go one on one we are basically asking young and relatively inexperienced defenders to have a faultless game whilst going man to man with some of the best forwards and attacking midfielders in the world, it feels like rather than defending as a team we are defending as individuals.

              Re: Attack the best form of defence

              Posted by SAHB on 5/3/2024, 12:42:22, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

              I wouldn't say that about every team, there are plenty who have players that can defend.

              Other than our centre backs who would you say was good at defending in our team?

              Defending as a team is made up of the individual parts, Kabore and Doughty at the weekend were not good enough for their 3rd.
              Its no good everyone else defending well, when individuals let you down.

              As I have said higher up I agree against the top teams we need to be more pragmatic defending in front of the back 3, we really miss Nakamba he is the only out and out defensive midfielder we have.

                Re: Attack the best form of defence

                Posted by Hatters on 5/3/2024, 13:29:26, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

                "I wouldn't say that about every team, there are plenty who have players that can defend."

                Of course every team has good defensive players.

                Agree about Kabore, think you are doing Doughty a bit of a disservice though, imo he would be a very good attacking left back. We have other players that can slip into the fullback options with ease as well, some of them having played most of their careers there.

                You kind of make my point about defending as a unit and not individuals which the way we are currently setting up encourages, our CB's get isolated and involved in lots of one on one battles, play as a four and it tends to be more compact, you defend as pairs a lot more etc. Don't get me wrong it's no golden bullet but I do think it could help us get a more balanced feel about the team and how we play.

          Re: Attack the best form of defence

          Posted by Herve Baquet on 5/3/2024, 11:06:23, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

          When we have Lokonga playing, it isn't so much of an issue, as he's so good at spotting the danger, and dropping back.

          Really hope he's back soon.

            Re: Attack the best form of defence

            Posted by Hatters on 5/3/2024, 11:16:23, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

            Not so sure, no doubting the importance of Lokonga to the team but we were leaking goals with him in the team as well

              Re: Attack the best form of defence

              Posted by SAHB on 5/3/2024, 11:15:51, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

              Without Lokonga or Nakamba we don't really have anyone who is defensively minded through the middle and teams find it way to easy to find the front man.

              Lokonga has grown into a very important player for us as important as Barkley In my opinion.
              Let's hope he is back soon and remains fit until the end of the season.

            Re: Attack the best form of defence

            Posted by MG on 5/3/2024, 10:25:45, in reply to "Attack the best form of defence "

            I agree, we were very passive in the away game at Aston Villa and while that may to some extent have limited the damage it looked certain we would lose .

            Compare that to the home game where we didn't do anything first half but had a go in the second and came close to a result.

            Against Brighton things fell into place and we did get a result. I wouldn't necessarily say "gung ho" but we need to carry an attacking threat.

              Re: Attack the best form of defence

              Posted by Doctor Ince on 5/3/2024, 11:43:46, in reply to "Re: Attack the best form of defence "

              I still think a lot of that Brighton result was down to Lockyer being back before the game. We got two early goals and looked as up for it as I've seen.

              Downside is RE seems to have taken that is the normal result with the tactics, rather than the exception

              Re: Attack the best form of defence

              Posted by Ches Fordroad on 5/3/2024, 10:23:08, in reply to "Attack the best form of defence "

              Sheffield going to a back eight second half last night did limit the damage to single figures.

                Re: Attack the best form of defence

                Posted by Music Critic on 5/3/2024, 10:21:34, in reply to "Attack the best form of defence "

                I agree with most of what you say. It's fine to adopt that as a general principle of play and identity but we still have to adapt at times - such as the moment we went 4-2 up at Newcastle

                If we go too gung-ho against City and Arsenal we will be destroyed

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