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    Yesterday evening

    Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 22/2/2024, 10:48:26

    Having finally got out of bed, what an evening yesterday. Just before kick off my mate turned to me and said “now this is what the PremierLeague is all about” and he was right, at full tilt Anfield is like KR on steroids. Shame about the result but Liverpool have only lost 11 at home under Klopp tenure so not unexpected. The “word on the street” in Liverpool is that Everton will get a couple of points back, not a bad result imo because the same should apply to Forest, and 5 wins from 14 isn’t out of the question

      Re: Yesterday evening

      Posted by Gothenburg Hatter on 22/2/2024, 16:33:38, in reply to "Yesterday evening"

      Quite. Have to put the result into perspective. They have good depth in their squad so their injuries made no difference. We did our best. The atmosphere definitely changed the game. Suddenly Liverpool found another gear and we couldn't live with them. All part of the learning curve. If we stay up I expect us to perform better in these type of games. It was a hard watch but we lost to a team who are one of the best in the world. No disgrace in that.

        Re: Yesterday evening

        Posted by bbb on 22/2/2024, 11:00:57, in reply to "Yesterday evening"

        KR on steroids 🤣 decent description!

          Re: Yesterday evening

          Posted by The Real Anon on 22/2/2024, 11:00:19, in reply to "Yesterday evening"

          I’m afraid with our injuries I think we’ll have no chance

          However I hate this league

            Re: Yesterday evening

            Posted by HuN on 22/2/2024, 11:45:39, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

            I don't think I hate this league, but it certainly doesn't have the same enjoyable vibe that the lower leagues had.
            Whether that's because we're now in the realms of VAR, mega rich clubs, the media spotlight seemingly more geared towards 'favoured' clubs . . . or the money and how we've (not) spent it opening up rifts we can do without.

            Crap stuff was there in the lower leagues too, but it didn't seem such a big focal point as it is now.

              Re: Yesterday evening

              Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 11:54:30, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

              Loving it. Hope we stay in the Prem for ever*

              C'ship is good, of course, but being in the Prem is superb despite the annoyances such as VAR





              *obviously won't happen

                Re: Yesterday evening

                Posted by The Real Anon on 22/2/2024, 12:41:45, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                I don’t enjoy watching this tbh*
                Also fans chanting VAR is absolute cringe



                *And yes I was there 10 years etc etc

                  Re: Yesterday evening

                  Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:03:32, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                  Nothing is perfect mate

                  Got to go with those imperfections. Think I've only heard Luton fans sing that chant once (I agree with you - it's cringey)

                    Re: Yesterday evening

                    Posted by mvhatter on 22/2/2024, 13:08:35, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                    I might be missing the nuance, but I was under the impression the 'VAR' chant was a bit tongue in cheek.

                      Re: Yesterday evening

                      Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:10:19, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                      It might be. Only heard it once (from Luton) so difficult to tell

                  Re: Yesterday evening

                  Posted by Alien Nate on 22/2/2024, 12:06:33, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                  I understand why you say that. But wonder if, ten years from now and ten "just avoided relegation" seasons, whether you would still hold that view.

                  Maybe the novelty would wear off and the idea of playing on a more level field would be more appealing.

                  Of course next year, with experience in the bank, maybe it will be European targets.

                    Re: Yesterday evening

                    Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 12:12:45, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                    I'd rather find that out, in 10 years, than not

                    I'd rather hang around and see whether all we're doing is avoiding the drop every season or, if we do stabilise, end up improving and growing even further

                    Can't understand why anyone would NOT want us to play at as high-a-level as possible. Even if it might be a struggle at times. Being in the top flight also maximises the chances of winning one of the knock out competitions. Still a long shot but not as long as being in the EFL

                      Re: Yesterday evening

                      Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 22/2/2024, 12:29:11, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                      I’ll try to answer that. Firstly, the Championship is much more geographically diverse, last season we found ourselves all over the country, from Wales to East Anglia to Sunderland. This season 13 of 19 games are in 4 cities (ish), which is frankly a little dull. We had a number of weekends away, and getting my wife a ticket was no trouble, this season no chance. I’ve never really had a problem before getting into a pub relatively near the ground, but it’s more of an issue in some places this season. We used to have sensible commentators using actual data talking about our games intelligently, now we have imbecilic former footballers and crap podcasters jumping on the gravy train. In the Prem, the football is outstanding (it’s better live than it looks on TV) and the money is clearly useful to the club. During Covid i learnt I missed the overall match day experience more than the football, so it’s a toss up

                        Re: Yesterday evening

                        Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 12:34:47, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                        Hmmmm, I'm not convinced I'm afraid!

                        All what you've listed is just a pay-off for playing at the highest level of English football

                        I like most big cities... except B'ham

                        Going to Cardiff and Preston is a heavy price to pay for the apparent benefits you list

                          Re: Yesterday evening

                          Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 22/2/2024, 12:44:09, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                          We had a brilliant weekend in Cardiff, terrific city (and Swansea). Usually had a weekend in Blackpool for Preston and got the train in. I’ve spent far too long over my football watching career waiting on Preston station!

                            Re: Yesterday evening

                            Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:08:48, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                            Each to their own but the C'ship will feel like a right slog after this. Both in terms of quality and the number of games we have to play

                        Re: Yesterday evening

                        Posted by m on 22/2/2024, 12:18:02, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                        Look at how In 6 months it's changed from Luton , no place in this league, worst team ever to play in it, to what a plucky team , try and play football , given all the top teams a scare , manager is such a decent bloke ,we've almost become a lot of peoples second favourite side

                          Re: Yesterday evening

                          Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 12:55:35, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                          Good points.

                          Got to admit I've enjoyed this season far more than I was expecting, the team have given us so many great moments even if there's a feeling of "if only" about a few matches. We've been everything we hoped we'd be and a lot, lot more.

                          The danger will be if we do survive, the thought that that's the hard work done - next season would be even more difficult, less novelty factor plus it doesn't look like there'll be one or two lame ducks getting promoted.

                            Re: Yesterday evening

                            Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:11:54, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                            plus it doesn't look like there'll be one or two lame ducks getting promoted.

                            True. Looks like Watford might have fukked it

                              Re: Yesterday evening

                              Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 13:26:24, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"



                              You mean to say the Great Man was wrong????

                              "Ainsworth, who is expected to add to the squad in the coming few weeks, insisted they will avoid the drop.

                              He said: “We played a good side today. I don’t know where Watford are going to finish but I expect them to be up and around it.""

                                Re: Yesterday evening

                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 13:27:51, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                I can say that again

                                  Re: Yesterday evening

                                  Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:31:37, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"



                                  I must admit I thought Watford would have given the top 6 more of a go this season (not Top 2 though) but they seem to be in a bit of a mess

                                  It'd be an amazing turnaround for them to make it to the play-offs now and then the parachute payments run out. And, I hope, that's when it REALLY starts to unravel for them

                                    Re: Yesterday evening

                                    Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 13:40:31, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                    It will, then they'll be expecting us to be sympathetic and wanting us to show solidarity with their leisure experience consumers.

                                    They're already doing really odd things - something really dodgy about this ..... 6 year contract for a 17 year old???

                                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68346693

                                      Re: Yesterday evening

                                      Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 13:47:55, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                      Yep

                                      They are a very weird club. I don't really know what their identity is anymore. Not just talking about the style of football but Watford as a, ahem, 'brand' (I hate that word but you know what I mean)

                                      At least in their 80s heyday you sensed they had 'something' about them

                                      Now they're just a hollow shell

                                        Re: Yesterday evening

                                        Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 14:03:34, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                        They're increasingly resembling the frenied franchise, an utterly soulless leisure experience for a rapidly decreasing number of disinterested consumers

                                          Re: Yesterday evening

                                          Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 14:34:39, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                          Agreed. Long may that and their descent continue

                                            Re: Yesterday evening

                                            Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 14:53:04, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                            Maybe they'll merge once Pozzo goes inside. A West Coast Main Line Super Club

                                              Re: Yesterday evening

                                              Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 15:03:59, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                              Virgin used to run that line didn't they?

                                              Quite apt for the mouth-breathing, hard drive-deleting, bedsit-dwelling Watford freaks that haunt this place

                                                Re: Yesterday evening

                                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 15:43:13, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                                Re: Yesterday evening

                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 22/2/2024, 13:26:18, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"



                                You mean to say the Great Man was wrong????

                                "Ainsworth, who is expected to add to the squad in the coming few weeks, insisted they will avoid the drop.

                                He said: “We played a good side today. I don’t know where Watford are going to finish but I expect them to be up and around it.""

                              Re: Yesterday evening

                              Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 12:19:33, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                              +1

                              Even the praise has started to become more genuine and less patronising

                    Re: Yesterday evening

                    Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 10:55:09, in reply to "Yesterday evening"

                    The “word on the street” in Liverpool is that Everton will get a couple of points back, not a bad result imo because the same should apply to Forest,

                    Which I suppose we would take (especially if they get hit with another 8 for their 2nd offence) but, if they have been found of wrongdoing, why should they get any points back at all? I don't get it. Either they're guilty or they're not

                    Anyway if the points deductions apply and are maintained on the inevitable appeals 4 wins will be enough. 30 points might even be enough. Irony.

                    Still think admin is a possibility for Everton too if this 777 takeover doesn't get ratified

                      Re: Yesterday evening

                      Posted by ELH on 22/2/2024, 12:03:18, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                      I wouldn't assume that whatever Everton's points deduction for the 1st offence is will be the same for their 2nd or Forest's.

                      The commission will look at the scale of losses, whether they have made efforts to reduce them and their openness and honesty amongst other factors to reach a decision. Unhelpfully there's no guidance as to what punishment should be applied.

                      Like everyone I have no idea, but would guess Everton will get a smaller deduction for the 2nd offence as it looks like they took some efforts to reduce their losses and they will avoid some of the mistakes they made in their 1st defence.

                      Forest is an interesting one as it looks like they decided they would blow a load of money knowing full well they couldn't meet PSR, but it would be worth it to stay up for another year and they could deal with the fall out later. Suspect that it will largely depend on how far above the limit they were.

                        Re: Yesterday evening

                        Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 12:07:34, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                        Thanks, that's helpful

                        So, even though Everton's 2nd offence is, essentially, the same as the 1st means little?

                        Ridiculous that there are no set punishments for these offences

                        Surely Forest should get both barrels (12 points is what Everton were looking at originally IIRC), if they've taken that shitty attitude, shouldn't they?

                          Re: Yesterday evening

                          Posted by ELH on 22/2/2024, 12:22:37, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                          I suppose it's like 2 people who commit the same criminal offence but get different sentences. Although there will be guidelines for that, but the Premier League unhelpfully doesn't give any so we're all just guessing.

                          Just my thoughts on Forest, I'm sure they will claim it's not their fault! The Brennan Johnson argument is laughable though.

                            Re: Yesterday evening

                            Posted by Music Critic on 22/2/2024, 12:31:42, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                            Understood

                            The main frustration is the ridiculously slow pace this is happening

                            Nearly March and we still don't know where we truly stand in the league table. And not likely to know until May. Still don't know when the 2nd Everton case and the Forest case are being heard

                            Re: Yesterday evening

                            Posted by Alien Nate on 22/2/2024, 12:11:50, in reply to "Re: Yesterday evening"

                            I suspect Forest are looked at as a "smaller" club and therefore, more likely to be made an example of.
                            They will certainly get more than Man City and their 115 offences. (If proven by 2124)

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