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    Post Office .. again

    Posted by Old Black&White on 2/2/2024, 8:43:43

    Everytime I see another news update on this monumental travesty, I nearly explode with anger and injustice of it all.

    Just watched a part of the hearing where a senior Post Office solicitor, sat there fucking smiling and smirking, denying all accusations, whilst in the next segment showed a signed document by himself, giving unquivical evidence to prosecute.

    Lying theiving bastards.
    The problem is this goes all the way to the top.

    If I was in charge, I would send the whole lot to prison , and asset strip every last penny from all responsible.

    Won’t happen of course, but someone needs to sodding well swing for this..

      Re: Post Office .. again

      Posted by Flitwick Hatter on 2/2/2024, 14:35:20, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

      I agree, Starmer was in charge.
      Lock him up?

        Re: Post Office .. again

        Posted by Old Black&White on 2/2/2024, 16:29:03, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

        Fuck me mate, if Starmer needs locking up, Bum face Cameron, and his successors, would need to be slotted!!

        This Travesty of a nearly Biblical nature, is beyond Party Politics, you must see that mate, The Post Office is owned by the Government.
        It alone has a singular power to prosecute off its own back( going back to the 1700s..
        This is a simple case of right and wrong…. Decisions were made to basically steal money and pay back in to Shareholders.

        That decision goes right to the top… as I’ve often said to you , Big Business and Money rule this country, not Governments… this case lays that truth bare.

          Re: Post Office .. again

          Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 16:38:25, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

          Why is Cameron the one you selected? The whole sad affair goes back to when Tony Blair was in charge. They are all culpable.

            Re: Post Office .. again

            Posted by Old Black&White on 2/2/2024, 17:42:23, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

            Isn’t that what I said?…. Flitwick Hatter picked out Starmer, and I replied if you care to read my threads that they are all culpable, and some more than others, that alright for you Tory Boy?

              Re: Post Office .. again

              Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 21:27:14, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

              You only mentioned Cameron, and I merely pointed out that it went back to Tony Blair and then all the way through from thereon. Starmer was the DPP at the time, and as such should have had some idea. Trying to insult me by assuming my political views says more about you than me. Had you said it was all Blair then I would have said that it goes beyond that as all the political parties were involved.

          Re: Post Office .. again

          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 2/2/2024, 15:58:22, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

          Being in charge of the DPP doesn't necessarily mean deciding on which of thousands of cases to prosecute each and every time.

          Re: Post Office .. again

          Posted by Okey on 2/2/2024, 12:56:07, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

          Don't look in to the infected blood scandal or you will explode.

          2 months ago Sunak and his crooks voted AGAIN to deny them compensation.

          The BIGGEST cover up in history is still to unfold.

            Re: Post Office .. again

            Posted by Ches Fordroad on 2/2/2024, 13:23:37, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

            Imagine if there was no Private Eye to cover these stories

            Re: Post Office .. again

            Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 2/2/2024, 9:32:41, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

            Agree those in charge at the PO and politicians who turned a blind eye should have criminal charges brought against them.

              Re: Post Office .. again

              Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 9:11:19, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

              Can only agree, Paule Vennells and half of her team should be in prison. If what they did isn't perverting the course of justice I'm not sure what is. If they can't / don't prosecute I doubt many will believe them.

              Likewise Fujitsu has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they are unsuitable to be given any further government contracts.

              Possibly we will see suitable prosecutions this time but this government will probably do what they have done so many times and drag it out waiting for investigations and reports and then sideline pretty much anything but some compensation for those impacted.

              Best hope is that a new government comes in soon and decides to make something of it.

                Re: Post Office .. again

                Posted by RPL on 2/2/2024, 9:26:26, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                I’m not sure Starmer will wish to get too involved as he was missing in action at the time. Or perhaps you meant Ed, who was only written to 5 times so didn’t know anything wrong was happening?

                  Re: Post Office .. again

                  Posted by Old Black&White on 2/2/2024, 9:39:01, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                  If you are going down the route, of trying to implicate Starmer, as some sort of “ balancing” up against this corrupt pile of crooks we have in power now , that’s truly pathetic in the circumstances.

                  This goes beyond all that, those that are found responsible should pay, whatever side they belong to.

                  A wrong is wrong, and in this case the biggest ever wrong needs to be put right with the biggest ever right.

                    Re: Post Office .. again

                    Posted by RPL on 2/2/2024, 9:41:48, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                    Not trying to balance anything, I just think ALL involved should answer for their actions, or lack of.

                      Re: Post Office .. again

                      Posted by Bellend spotter on 2/2/2024, 9:46:30, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                      Yeah sure

                  Re: Post Office .. again

                  Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 9:35:57, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                  How do you work that out about Starmer?

                    Re: Post Office .. again

                    Posted by RPL on 2/2/2024, 9:39:39, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                    DPP back in the day.

                    Heads of all those complicit in this should roll.

                      Re: Post Office .. again

                      Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 9:47:09, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                      Okay, so a pretty minor role but yes, if there's a case why not?

                        Re: Post Office .. again

                        Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 9:50:32, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                        The DPP is a major role

                          Re: Post Office .. again

                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 2/2/2024, 10:01:29, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                          The Post Office brought a private prosecution. The DPP was not involved.

                            Re: Post Office .. again

                            Posted by RPL on 2/2/2024, 10:08:14, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                            The DPP chose not to get involved, but they could and arguably should have.

                              Re: Post Office .. again

                              Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 11:00:50, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                              They would need to have strong reasons to do that.

                              I'm not sure that there was that strong evidence back then, it was about 2015 that the truth really started coming out.

                              I'd agree though that even by then it was looking pretty unsatisfactory.

                                Re: Post Office .. again

                                Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 13:24:41, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                The amount of subpastmasters and mistresses involved at the time should have been a very red flag. All those honest, upstanding people suddenly becoming dishonest overnight was just not plausible. Incidentally The discrepancies in the main Post Offices were all written off without a single person facing any questions whatsoever.

                                  Re: Post Office .. again

                                  Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 13:44:55, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                  Didn't know that last part . . . it just gets worse and worse and to be honest I don't think it's that hugely different to how a lot of big companies tend to act to protect themselves.

                                Re: Post Office .. again

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 2/2/2024, 10:17:27, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                Agreed.

                                  Re: Post Office .. again

                                  Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 13:08:41, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                  Sorry Nag, I had to go out for a while. The fact is that this whole sad episode has been seen over by different governments from Tony Blair onwards, not just sharing between Labour and Conservatives but also including Lib Dems, with their current leader having a very prominent role. Ed Davy, not couldn't but wouldn't even speak to Alan Bates about the concerns. OK this IS the worst case of miscarriage of justice, but having seen how companies are run, the way managers at every level behave in the work place.
                                  I am just glad I am now retired.

                                    Re: Post Office .. again

                                    Posted by Too true sloopy on 2/2/2024, 18:25:27, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                    Watched a programme the other night about the pros and cons of having a smart meter fitted in homes.

                                    Interestingly one of those meters was made by horizon. Would you trust it to send back correct usage of power to your energy supplier ?

                                      Re: Post Office .. again

                                      Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 13:58:06, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                      I'm a manager in a large company. I'm being told I may have to accept to going back to a non-management role.

                                      I'm trying to pretend to be upset about it for form's sake but to be honest I would love that. Trying to represent some of our current policies is utterly joyless.

                                        Re: Post Office .. again

                                        Posted by sloopy on 2/2/2024, 14:24:46, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                        Good luck to you, hope it goes well

                                          Re: Post Office .. again

                                          Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 15:15:40, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                          Thanks, whatever happens with that, there are much worse things that could be happening so it won't be a disaster.

                                            Re: Post Office .. again

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 2/2/2024, 16:01:34, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                            Good luck

                        Re: Post Office .. again

                        Posted by Ches Fordroad on 2/2/2024, 9:29:48, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                        You're right - it was everyone's fault apart from the party that's formed the Government since 2010. All they've done is go above and beyond to help these folk.

                        Re: Post Office .. again

                        Posted by Anon on 2/2/2024, 9:20:57, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                        Despite the pfizer problem, a few were probably still till dipping

                      Re: Post Office .. again

                      Posted by Ted the real one on 2/2/2024, 9:11:09, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

                      Heads should certainly roll

                        Re: Post Office .. again

                        Posted by Ches Fordroad on 2/2/2024, 8:58:25, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

                        No-one will be convicted, let alone imprisoned. I wouldn't even bet much on any one of them having any form of incentive payments clawed back.

                          Re: Post Office .. again

                          Posted by HH on 2/2/2024, 9:41:05, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                          Yep.

                          I don't understand how they're not being prosecuted.

                          They literally took money off people under false pretences and then covered it up and then put them in prison for it.

                          It's a massive corporate fraud.

                            Re: Post Office .. again

                            Posted by Ches Fordroad on 2/2/2024, 9:49:24, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                            Sadly, it's incredibly difficult in this country to hold individuals responsible for any corporate crime. Everyone is responsible (that's why they're paid so much, remember) but no-one's responsible.

                            Companies always seem to find the money to engage the very best legal teams to defend these folk, and employ the time-honoured tactics of delay and obfuscation and when all that fails, there's always the ill-health card.

                              Re: Post Office .. again

                              Posted by HH on 2/2/2024, 10:05:46, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                              Quite, unfortunately, they're the wrong sort of people to go to prison.

                              Re: Post Office .. again

                              Posted by RPL on 2/2/2024, 9:46:35, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                              Spot on.

                            Re: Post Office .. again

                            Posted by since 63 on 2/2/2024, 8:56:17, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

                            i agree, all those at the PO that continued to prosecute the postmasters knowing full well they were inocent, should be stripped of all their wealth and thrown out onto the street pennyless.

                              Re: Post Office .. again

                              Posted by Ummmmm on 2/2/2024, 8:48:24, in reply to "Post Office .. again"

                              Absolutely agree. The Country desperately needs Mr Tice and Mr Farage in charge. The other two parties have failed, time for a change.

                                Re: Post Office .. again

                                Posted by Bellend spotter on 2/2/2024, 9:11:30, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                Surely this saga proves that it's the Corporations who have all the power. The government is just a window dressing pantomime

                                  Re: Post Office .. again

                                  Posted by MG on 2/2/2024, 9:06:23, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                  Talk about out of the frying pan and into the stinking pit of manure dowsed in petrol and set alight.

                                    Re: Post Office .. again

                                    Posted by Ches Fordroad on 2/2/2024, 9:01:44, in reply to "Re: Post Office .. again"

                                    Good point - they've been the lone voices supporting the Postmasters for years on this. Why did no-one listen to them?

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