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Rob Edwards
Posted by Old Black&White on 14/12/2023, 10:11:18
Has he the safest job in the premiership( and maybe Championship next year)
Must make us Unique, and allows stability to grow t and build the squad in the months to come.
Wonder if Kompany and Wilder will get that?
Roy will be gone from Palace soon, maybe Cooper as well.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Hawkesworth on 14/12/2023, 10:34:49, in reply to "Rob Edwards"
If we relegated, I'll be happy to stay up next season, I'm not even joking.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Okey on 14/12/2023, 11:40:39, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
I get this but it’s about getting the right balance next year.
Anyone who thinks it will be easy to bounce back is deluded.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Charles farthing on 14/12/2023, 12:36:48, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Who cares as long as the dosh is coughed up and us proper fans can get tickets again
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Barry Butlins Red Coat on 14/12/2023, 11:30:38, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Agreed.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by m on 14/12/2023, 10:19:24, in reply to "Rob Edwards"
I'm not sure about next season myself. If we go down what's the expectations ? Championship difficult league to get out of, we'd be expected to be up there due to parachute payments.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Evri Returns on 14/12/2023, 10:31:29, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Depends what the parachute payments are used for.
They may also be used for the new ground….
I think this whole situation is a nagging doubt many fans feel.
In May we were told that Promotion wasn’t necessary for the ground, then in August it was necessary (and why we didn’t spend as much on transfers) and and now we have promotion and significantly more money in the bank not much has changed.
If we go down then if the money we get from that is also stated as to “secure the ground” then I think a few more will call foul.
We must have £100 million in the bank now, how is that being used?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by hatters1988 on 14/12/2023, 12:01:18, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
It wasn't necessary as all the groundwork (quite literally) was already being done in relation to funding it etc, but if you come into that much cash you'd be daft not to use it wisely. We are in an even better position when the ground is built now more than ever.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by pingu on 14/12/2023, 10:41:08, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
hopefully this “100m” is being used to pay the investors back the money they risked for the love of our club.
always happy to help🧡.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by P on 14/12/2023, 10:35:04, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
£100 million in the bank??
I'll bite
The club would have put aside some money for the new stadium - the rest will have gone on the massively increased budget for playing side, KR upgrade, etc.... there will not be millions of quid unused, it will all go towards costs
Spreading misinformation like that is extremely dangerous
COYH
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 10:44:35, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
As is this bit of misinformation (though I think misunderstanding is more accurate and less harsh)...
In May we were told that Promotion wasn’t necessary for the ground, then in August it was necessary (and why we didn’t spend as much on transfers) and and now we have promotion and significantly more money in the bank not much has changed.
It was never said it was necessary - it was always said that it filled a gap that would have to be plugged otherwise (caused by rises in materials costs) but that everything was fine in that area ans that bridging the gap was not a problem anyhow. And that the extra income would enable some things to be done which might have had to be shelved - which is apparent in the clubs statement that they are tweaking the plans (in a positive way) with the funding.
(And that of course has affected detailed planning timings)
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Evri Returns on 14/12/2023, 10:48:14, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Fair point but did we really need to “tweak” things if it’s meant an even longer wait for start the work?
We have always been told that to “compete” that we needed a new ground.
So what tweaks are required and justified to justify the now even longer wait?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 10:58:51, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Well, the main one that has been discussed is opening at the higher capacity* rather than the initial 17,500 I think - and that has got to be worth a slight wait (I think your 'even longer wait' is a tad emotive and unfair, though like you and us all I can't wait for work to get started - it was held up initially by the power station move and UKPN's planning permission delays for their new site, I think some have said? But if we are now able to go straight ahead with the larger capacity, I personally feel that makes up for any slight additional delay)
*I don't know what that higher capacity is, but various figures (guesses!) have been bandied about at around 22.5K I think
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 14/12/2023, 11:41:55, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
It is a long wait..can't see power court up and running till 2028
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 11:54:46, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Oh well, your loss.
Judging by your posts on here you're either genuinely a miserable and negative serial moaner or a very tedious troll anyhow.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 14/12/2023, 12:08:03, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
No a realist..not fooled by the..do not speak out of turn brigade...can see through bull xhit
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Shandy King on 14/12/2023, 12:21:30, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 12:14:57, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
To repeat...oh well, your loss then.
If you were actually a realist you would bother to read what the club says, ask any questions you may have, look at their track record and make conclusions based on that.*
Instead you choose to sit on your backside and snipe, which says it all in my opinion.
*my conclusions about you are based on a similar process
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by pingu on 14/12/2023, 12:09:47, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
what is the bull £hit?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by MG on 14/12/2023, 11:33:21, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Hmm, if it's as high as 22.5k that is a big leap.
Must admit I *thought* that Sweet had said 19.5k was the new target though. Still worth a bit more time even if it is frustrating.
Power Court was never an "easy" choice but I doubt even 2020 realised quite how difficult it was going to be.
It is though, I am convinced, the right choice for both club and town though.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Shandy King on 14/12/2023, 12:19:58, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
When power court was taken on it was prior to
a retail crash a global pandemic a mini world war a financial depression and domestic cost crisis about 20 changes in pm huge materials cost increases 3-4 massive construction firms going under 3 promotions a kr stand rebuild and major refurb
All of thee things will have a material dent on the programme.
So I'm pretty sure you're correct that 2020 didn't appreciate how difficult it was. If only they had crystal balls.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Winged Hatter on 14/12/2023, 12:59:31, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
A mini world war?
On that definition the world has constantly been in a mini world war.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by MG on 14/12/2023, 12:23:45, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Indeed!
I was referring to the difficulties of the site itself but those represent an incredibly difficult background for the project. And I fear that things may not exactly improve a lot in coming years.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Sandgrounder on 14/12/2023, 11:39:00, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Yep, 19,200 and 19,500 have been quoted as the new increased initial capacity
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by MG on 14/12/2023, 12:05:45, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Okay thanks, well worth having!
Looking forwards to the detailed design and if it will definitely be the "rotated" one they talked about or nearer the original.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Don't Stop Believing on 14/12/2023, 10:54:03, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
The proof will only be felt on a few year's time. If stadium is going up and we have a decent championship team then all the right decisions made.
If not, then the wrong decisions made. They are choosing to do things this way, as being in the Premier League gives us options as to how to spend the money.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Evri Returns on 14/12/2023, 10:56:12, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
We have had a decent Championship team for three seasons.
This is about ensuring we preserve the legacy of last season soonest and ensure everyone who wants to watch us can.
Why change the plans and delay this?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 11:01:21, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
See my reply above.
Long term capacity is more important than a few months delay, surely?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Evri Returns on 14/12/2023, 11:05:08, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Would be good to know what the new timescale is and whether anything significant is expected to start in 2024.
What specifically is holding us up now?
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 11:11:02, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
I don't know, but I have every confidence in 2020 to deliver. I think they have earned that trust abundantly. Don't you?
I agree that their comms could be better, and I have raised that personally as have the supporters' groups. There are mitigating circumstances around that too.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Evri Returns on 14/12/2023, 11:21:53, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Yes absolutely.
Just some clarity and the new plan would be great and give us something to really look forward to.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by crumpsall on 14/12/2023, 11:30:51, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
I agree wholeheartedly.
Sadly, the unexpected and so sad loss of Mark Ledsom has impacted all comms, as I believe he was to renew and deliver a full strategy including this sort of stuff. Not an easy person to replace, I'm sure, and one who was close to 2020 in many ways. RIP Mark.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by SE1 Hatter on 14/12/2023, 10:22:28, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Depends on incomings / outgoings, but would expect us to be comfortably top half / pushing playoffs. All of the players have improved so much as a result of the Prem experience.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Grumpy on 14/12/2023, 10:47:01, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
If we do go down, we’ll lose a few players who’ve proved themselves capable at the top level but I’d really hope we’d invest more in the playing side then. We must be aware though that the losing habit is a very very difficult one to break which is why few bounce straight back.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Herve Baquet on 15/12/2023, 9:37:05, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
If we go down Doughty will probably go, but honestly can’t see many premier league teams coming in for the rest.
My biggest concern is that RE will go if a premier league team comes in for him, which I could see happening.
Either way, I think we’ll thrive in the championship tbh.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Sandgrounder on 14/12/2023, 11:37:56, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
Can’t be bothered to find the stats right now but an Athletic article recently showed that especially in the last 5 years or so it has actually been very common to bounce straight back. And the top 4 in the championship at present include the 3 relegated clubs from last year.
Re: Rob Edwards
Posted by Newton on 14/12/2023, 16:15:09, in reply to "Re: Rob Edwards"
They are (were) all established Premier League clubs with much bigger stadiums and higher revenue than us.
If we went down then personally I'd view top 8 as a good achievement.
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