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The NHS
Posted by Good grief on 13/12/2023, 12:56:25
Second bottom on the list of saving lives.
The United state of morons saved us from been bottom.
What the hell is wrong with these two idiots that even some so called poor countries out perform us.
I guess the manufactured boat crisis will keep this shame of the news.
Re: The NHS
Posted by bbb on 13/12/2023, 22:11:37, in reply to "The NHS"
Oooo, let's use a new posting name to get the blinkered retarded Labour voter's into a slanging match with the retard wind up merchants from the Tory side.
Just spiffing.
Re: The NHS
Posted by This entire thread on 13/12/2023, 17:32:14, in reply to "The NHS"
And why we will never get anywhere in this country
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:24:46, in reply to "The NHS"
Starmer is going to sort it all out, let the good times roll.
Spend spend spend, free broadband anyone?
Remember Corbyns great big book of proof the Tories were going to sell of the NHS of to America?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 15:45:56, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
You haven't noticed the creeping privatisation of NHS services?
Find yourself an optician.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Mr T on 13/12/2023, 18:21:22, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Opticians have been private for as long as I’ve been using them (52 years)
Re: The NHS
Posted by MG on 13/12/2023, 20:34:03, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Dentists might be a better example but large parts of what the NHS do / did have also been privatised.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 18:42:05, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Yes I know.
There used to be "NHS frames" though.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Specky on 13/12/2023, 20:37:07, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
That has to be classed as an improvement then. Poor kids wearing bully me glasses.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 22:11:51, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I think that description is more of an indictment of snobby kids.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Specky on 14/12/2023, 7:34:38, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
No actually council house kids can be very cruel.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/12/2023, 9:54:37, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Substitute "all" for "council house" and you'd be right.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Specky on 14/12/2023, 10:25:42, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Why didn't you say that the first time then?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:51:44, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Sorry I don’t read socialist weekly.
Will labour have a committee to decide who is a man and who is woman?
I identify as being a gerbil,
Re: The NHS
Posted by jimmyp on 14/12/2023, 7:44:04, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Nope, not clever enough.
Maybe try cheese plant.
Cheers, Jim
Re: The NHS
Posted by TLC on 13/12/2023, 16:11:49, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
and a Nazi.
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 15:53:24, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Explains a lot. You've been going around in circles on here for about 6 years.
Re: The NHS
Posted by mmmm on 13/12/2023, 17:22:00, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
That got me!
Re: The NHS
Posted by Blimey on 13/12/2023, 20:28:33, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Shame Yewtree didn't.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:57:05, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
13 years. You finally going to win an election, or fuck it up again.
Labour are like Spurs, serial losers
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 16:00:39, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
You're voting Labour next year.
You said it yourself, you only ever back winners.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Well on 13/12/2023, 15:52:49, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
No one could possibly deny that.
Re: The NHS
Posted by MG on 13/12/2023, 15:31:13, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Spend on public services or syphoning public money off to already rich mates.
I think I know which I'd prefer.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:32:10, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
So what the labour plan though? Does anyone know?
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 15:42:09, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
What's the Tory plan out of interest? Whatever it is it's hard to claim it's exactly working.
Given the utter shit show in power right now, all the opposition have to do is show they're not utterly incompetent, morally bankrupt and useless.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:54:29, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
So Labour hasn’t got a plan? Just say it, go on
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 15:59:10, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I think the problem is way bigger than a short slogan.
There's a whole myriad of problems to be sorted out from years of neglect, which will take years to resolve.
It starts with properly funding it, once the economy improves.
But I think the status quo of a government who have presided over the neglect of the system for the last 14 years cannot be defended. So, whilst they might not have a short slogan to trot out to amuse folk like you, I'd rather vote for them then allow the current incumbents another 5 years to continue to underfund it and pretend its workers are the problem.
Re: The NHS
Posted by TPDC on 13/12/2023, 15:32:42, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Read their website!!!!
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:35:05, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Save me the time as you must know what you are going to vote for?
Just give me the main points
Re: The NHS
Posted by TPDC on 13/12/2023, 15:47:38, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Ok the main point is this: a fairer society contributed to by everyone for the benefit of everyone as opposed to let the rich get richer at the expense of the poor and vulnerable.
Simple enough for you?
Re: The NHS
Posted by MG on 13/12/2023, 15:34:17, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I think you might be overestimating him just a tad.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Thatchers love child on 13/12/2023, 15:27:56, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
You mate are the biggest nob on here.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:29:37, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I think the word is knob
So what is super labours plan, do tell
Re: The NHS
Posted by TLC on 13/12/2023, 15:33:53, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Who cares - you’re a nob.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Ha ha on 13/12/2023, 17:37:50, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
TLC
The loner creep
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:36:48, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Class, Leftie name calling, You forgot far right nazi fascist?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Remoaner on 13/12/2023, 15:43:11, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Having another bad day Adolf?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:44:26, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Off to play football soon Stalin
Re: The NHS
Posted by Remoaner on 13/12/2023, 15:49:45, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I see you’re still going on about Corbyn Adolf. Did you know he voted against the Iraq war 20yrs ago, you know, that conflict you have such a chip on your shoulder about? Yet you keep going on about him yet chose to vote for a bloke who voted for it back in 2003..
You’re actually a huge fucking hypocrite aren’t you Adolf?
Re: The NHS
Posted by TPDC on 13/12/2023, 15:27:19, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
He'll have plenty to spend once the off-shore tax-exempt loopholes, and the non-dom status ate abolished.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Hat66 on 13/12/2023, 15:38:19, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
No he won’t, people are already leaving the UK because of it.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:39:59, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Immigration 700,000
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 15:43:20, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
What's the Tory plan to deal with it?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:53:11, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Same as labours, Not a kin clue
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 15:56:07, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
It's almost as like setting arbitrary targets on an almost confected problem isn't helping anyone.
Still, a few extra hundred million to a Rwanda and a fight with the battles to deliver a gimmick which won't help anyone outside the Tories infighting will solve the day.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 15:58:10, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
14 years and worth the wait? You must be getting excited?
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 16:01:51, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
You must be getting ready to leave the country.
Au Revoir.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Cheated on 13/12/2023, 16:32:21, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I voted for sovereignty, it will happen once the donuts have woken up,
I’m amazed you live in a none EU country
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 17:25:20, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Round and round we go
Re: The NHS
Posted by Remoaner on 13/12/2023, 16:55:34, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
‘I voted for sovereignty’ - you are funny sometimes Adolf !!
Did you know that the Irish have more ‘sovereignty’ than we do??
Re: The NHS
Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 13/12/2023, 13:52:47, in reply to "The NHS"
Idiots getting an ambulance to A&E for a headache and surgeons prioritising their lucrative private work
Re: The NHS
Posted by Tory loser on 13/12/2023, 14:47:12, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Sunak Johnson Truss
Re: The NHS
Posted by The Real Anon on 13/12/2023, 16:44:08, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Yawn
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 14:42:56, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
How many people do that?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Evri Returns on 13/12/2023, 14:34:32, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
“surgeons prioritising their lucrative private work”
Interesting comment from a Tory…..
Re: The NHS
Posted by HH on 13/12/2023, 14:16:43, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Yeah, they're the real culprits in all of this.
What more could the government have done over the last 13 years to help?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Charles farthing on 13/12/2023, 13:09:46, in reply to "The NHS"
Nah
Re: The NHS
Posted by Dr Crippen on 13/12/2023, 13:09:28, in reply to "The NHS"
Where did that come from?
Re: The NHS
Posted by crumpsall on 13/12/2023, 13:05:37, in reply to "The NHS"
Source, please?
Ta.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Good grief on 13/12/2023, 13:09:58, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
King’s ford study.
Article in the telegraph so tread carefully.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Good grief on 13/12/2023, 13:12:40, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
In fact I was wrong as it’s on most news outlets.
Re: The NHS
Posted by crumpsall on 13/12/2023, 13:20:09, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Really? I can't find it. The recent Telegraph story references Imperial College research, not the earlier King's Fund report which cites the facts you mention but also puts them into context.
I get your point though of course
Re: The NHS
Posted by Good grief on 13/12/2023, 13:30:24, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
2nd bottom in regards to saving lives (strokes heart issues etc )
We already know regarding cancer we are desperate.
16th out of 35 ( hooray ) in regards to general.
‘The envy of the world’ days are long gone.
Re: The NHS
Posted by crumpsall on 13/12/2023, 13:35:11, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Those stats aren't from the recently published IC study but the older King's Fund one?
Not sure you can conflate the two, though at the same time they are of course shocking.
It goes without saying on whose watch the performance has declined so sharply .
Re: The NHS
Posted by HatterInNottingham on 13/12/2023, 13:47:19, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Alas, the health of British people doesn't seem to be a priority for the people running this country.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Terry in the Office on 13/12/2023, 15:30:50, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Sadly, the health of British people doesn't seem to be a priority for much of the population.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Hatterinnottingham on 13/12/2023, 18:15:48, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Yes, that's why they vote tory!
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 15:42:54, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
In what way?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Well on 13/12/2023, 15:45:36, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
He is trying the old Tory trick off it’s your fault you have cancer heart disease and a stroke.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Just an observation on 13/12/2023, 16:03:45, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
The poster may merely be pointing out that our obesity levels are amongst the highest anywhere. Although, you probably already knew that was the inference
Re: The NHS
Posted by Terry in the Office on 13/12/2023, 17:26:57, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Correct. Nobody would say that it's entirely people's fault if they suffer from these ailments, but far too many people choose unhealthy lifestyles which contribute massively to health problems.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Well on 13/12/2023, 16:12:29, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Mmmm. Did you read my post?
You realise even in countries that have less levels of obesity that these diseases still exist?
It’s the treatments that are given that causes deaths not the numbers involved.
Crap diagnosis. Crap treatment timelines. Horrendous death rates.
You already knew this though. ( of course if you go private you have no issues ) weird but I guess they are all slim on your planet.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Just an observation on 13/12/2023, 16:50:00, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
So, obesity doesn't contribute to those conditions?
Re: The NHS
Posted by Well on 13/12/2023, 17:16:38, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Every time someone like Jamie Oliver and others try to address the obesity issue what happens?
Why has this government opposed every plan or effort suggested to ease this issue?
We eat more processed shit than any other European country and my best guess is we follow the USA in gorging shite and are readily encouraged to do so.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 16:58:08, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
The high cost of healthy food is a contributory factor, according to an MPs' report earlier this year.
For instance, 5 doughnuts are much cheaper in most supermarkets than 5 apples.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Really ? on 14/12/2023, 11:45:54, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Depends on which supermarket you use and which doughnuts/apples you buy.
Personally I don't buy doughnuts in any supermarket as I doubt that those sold in Greggs can be bettered than those sold in any supermarket.
As for apples there is only one variety worthy of being called an apple and that is Braeburn.
Re: The NHS
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/12/2023, 16:23:35, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Morrisons Braeburn cost approx. £1.70 per kilogram (about 5 or 6 apples. Their doughnuts are 5 for 89p.
Re: The NHS
Posted by crumpsall on 13/12/2023, 13:49:41, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
Indeed. They always have their private heathcare to turn to (though when that runs out, the burden falls on the NHS again of course)
Re: The NHS
Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 13/12/2023, 14:16:14, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
I went to see my surgeon for my other knee replacement..he now assures me I don't need one, because my knee hasn't deteriorated in 3 years....I was astounded... Twice now I have been knocked back by differing surgeons, even though another was going to sort it (he retired)
I now have to wait for more deterioration.. .
Re: The NHS
Posted by Gripper on 13/12/2023, 14:27:28, in reply to "Re: The NHS"
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