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rwanda bill fail
Posted by boz on 12/12/2023, 18:59:47
ge early next yr hopefully
get these corrupt cun'ts out
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Bloke on 12/12/2023, 22:44:46, in reply to "rwanda bill fail"
So you are happy with illegals coming in by the boat load (literally)?
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/12/2023, 22:56:29, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
It isn't if they haven't come from France and have no intention of staying there.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 8:53:35, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Isn’t it ? My understanding is that you are meant to seek asylum in the first safe place you arrive. They aren’t getting in a boat in Syria and surely it’s illegal to try and avoid border controls in a “ safe” country ? Isn’t that why they are called “ illegal immigrants” ?
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Yes really on 13/12/2023, 12:49:41, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
You keep on banging this drum without understanding international law.
Are you deliberately acting silly here?
We take a 1/3 of refugees compared to France so you expect France and Germany ( we take a 1/4 compared to them ) not to mention other countries to take them all?
It’s almost like you are taking the piss on here.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 11:03:05, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 13:02:21, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Am I wrong , I think it’s probably down to interpretation. The below paragraph is what you have pasted.However do you agree they are breaking the law by avoiding France border control ?
Genuine refugees claim asylum in the first safe country. Refugees should or even must claim asylum in the first safe country. The asylum seekers coming to the UK from France are really economic migrants, not refugees, because they didn’t claim asylum in France.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 14:49:30, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
That's your warped interpretation.
Nowhere in the UNHCR rules is there any mention of "first safe country".the
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 15:01:55, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Ok so educate me and tell me how I should interpret the following two sentences which are from the link you posted?
Genuine refugees claim asylum in the first safe country. Refugees should or even must claim asylum in the first safe country.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 15:30:25, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Scroll further down to the paragraph entitled "how do real refugees actually behave?"
"The fact is that some refugees do not want to stay in the first country they reach, nor are the under any legal obligation to do so"
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 18:50:26, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
No wonder you are the Queen of Whataboutery favourite poster…. 😂😂. What I wrote was “ My understanding is that you are meant to seek asylum in the first safe place you arrive “. You post saying wrong. You then post a link which says exactly the same thing as I wrote…
hmmm ….what is it you often write about digging ….we can only see the top of your head …😂😂
It clearly states that no obligation requires them to seek asylum in the first country.
I can’t really help you or anyone for that matter as the uk signed up to this charter.
Let’s say we bombed the shit out of Lebanon ( we did ) and for hearsay a million migrants turned up on the shore of Italy.
You expect Italy to deal with an issue we created?
We reap what we sow my friend.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 22:05:50, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
I don’t disagree with anything you have written other than I couldn’t find anything about moving between countries in the UN 1951 convention also what NAG posted seemed to confirm that they shouldn’t. However I did find an article called fact checker which seems to confirm that they can move through countries providing they don’t stop for “any length of time”. I think the Rawanda idea is ridiculous but I also don’t want people risking their lives crossing the channels in dinghies whilst criminals profiteer. It’s a fucking mess.
My beef is with countries like ours bombing the shite out of countries and then expecting other nations to deal with the aftermath.
Any government claiming they can fix this problem is lying.
As for this Rwanda gibberish, it’s a sick joke made up by idiots that won’t even be in power in 12 months.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Rotten Government Spotter on 13/12/2023, 22:35:11, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
I’ll correct that for you - it’s a sick joke born out of the latest in a long line (5 to be precise) of Prime Ministers desperate to try and control the narrative and which has allowed irrelevants such as Mark Francois to take centre stage.
And he’s only one of them. Add the likes of Esther McVey, Andrea Jenkyns, Michael Fabricant etc.
Honestly, how on earth has it been allowed to get this bad?
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 21:01:34, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
So the link NAG posted was incorrect ?
No thanks I was basing my point on what she had posted which you are claiming is incorrect?
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/12/2023, 23:03:07, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
So are you saying the part of the link I posted, which you claimed to have read, which said "they have no legal obligation to do so" (stay in the first country) is not correct? Or are you just ignoring it to suit your bias and false narrative?
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Rotten Government Spotter on 13/12/2023, 20:28:33, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
You do realise it’s Zed you’re attempting to reason with? His specialty on here is making a tit of himself.
Some people - if his admission is to be believed - have even made him cry when it’s pointed out to him that he’s been a bellend
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 21:02:58, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Do you just cut and paste your previous comments. I notice you never make any points ….hmm why might that be. 😂😂
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/12/2023, 23:07:07, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
They're not immigrating into France in boats.
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by The Questioner on 13/12/2023, 8:57:47, in reply to "Re: rwanda bill fail"
Sorry badly worded . Border control . It’s illegal to try and avoid border control in France .
Re: rwanda bill fail
Posted by Looney spotter on 12/12/2023, 19:15:42, in reply to "rwanda bill fail"
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