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HS2
Posted by Test the water on 25/9/2023, 11:34:09
Perhaps if we asked the PPE lot for our money back we could afford our manifesto promises.
And to blame it on Ukraine…..
Italy meanwhile building Naples to Bari (fast line) under budget and ahead of time…..
Re: HS2
Posted by Norris on 25/9/2023, 15:58:42, in reply to "HS2 "
Posted by Hmmm on 25/9/2023, 20:12:13, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
You haven’t read even a sentence of that have you?
Re: HS2
Posted by Norris on 25/9/2023, 21:46:29, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Or...We found that the EU’s current long-term plan is not supported by credible analysis, is unlikely to be achieved, and lacks a solid EU-wide strategic approach
Re: HS2
Posted by Norris on 25/9/2023, 21:43:57, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Cost-efficiency is at stake, because not everywhere very high speed lines are needed, as the cost per minute of saved travel time is very high, going up to €369 million, and as the average speeds only amount to 45 % of the maximum capacity, while cost overruns and construction delays are the norm rather than the exception.
Re: HS2
Posted by Godders on 26/9/2023, 0:04:49, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
And that fails to address the primary reason for HS2 which isn't about saving 20 minutes or whatever it is off the time between Euston and New Street but is actually about creating capacity on existing lines allowing not only more inter-regional provincial services but also allowing more freight to ho by rail taking thousands of lorries off the road.
Re: HS2
Posted by On me head on 26/9/2023, 5:30:09, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
And how do you think this freight end up at its final destination???
Re: HS2
Posted by Hmmm on 25/9/2023, 22:43:53, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Conclusion btw. You’ve read the headline and a couple of paragraphs but nothing else.
And fwiw it also makes it pretty clear that it ISN’T the evil EU pulling the strings on these matters - ie. it’s the individual governments concerned.
Re: HS2
Posted by Hmmm on 25/9/2023, 22:38:27, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
So, having finally read a bit of it you’ve picked off a couple of sentences that suit your narrative. I also get that you can ‘copy and paste’.
Go you.
Re: HS2
Posted by On me head on 25/9/2023, 15:18:23, in reply to "HS2 "
Just need the southern section to be scrapped now
Re: HS2
Posted by Godders on 25/9/2023, 18:43:52, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
You actually want it scrapped now that loads of infrastructure work has begun and billions spent on it?
Re: HS2
Posted by On me head on 25/9/2023, 19:03:44, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Absolutely
Re: HS2
Posted by Godders on 25/9/2023, 21:09:05, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
the government needs to intervene and get to grips with the costs. Blaming inflation and war in Ukraine is a total smokescreen for their flawed let market forces dictate price ideology. Costs were spiralling out of control way before all that.
Re: HS2
Posted by Test the water on 25/9/2023, 19:29:16, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Yes coz that will show the voters that the Tories know how to manage long term infrastructure projects and budgets.
Coz Corbyn approved HS2 and Abbott drove the tunnel machine through the Chilterns.
Tories taking back control, just like Brexit.
Re: HS2
Posted by Rory on 25/9/2023, 14:11:04, in reply to "HS2 "
It will be a long time before we see another new fleet of trains ordered the business knows this and is cutting back accordingly.
Re: HS2
Posted by TPDC on 25/9/2023, 11:59:52, in reply to "HS2 "
Our country is a mess. Too many incompetent oafs been running and ruining it for far too long. As for HS2, given it's not going to fulfil its original intended planned destinations it will guarantee its failure. Should have either been scrapped years ago or just get on and build the thing as intended.
Re: HS2
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 25/9/2023, 12:04:07, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Agreed.
All we'll end up with is a typically British half-arsed sort of compromise that's of #### all use to anyone.
But no doubt loads of consultants and other middle-men will have made themselves a packet.
Re: HS2
Posted by Bellend spotter on 25/9/2023, 13:23:16, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
100%. Major project construction is riddled with useless day rate grifters chancing their arm, introducing pointless processes that only serve one purpose: to make their day rate last for as long as possible.
Re: HS2
Posted by frak on 25/9/2023, 12:50:08, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
At least we agree on something #toriesout
Re: HS2
Posted by RADSB on 25/9/2023, 12:09:17, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Agreed again. Also HS2 has hoovered up lots of resources both people and materials making it more difficult and expensive for everyone else.
Re: HS2
Posted by TPDC on 25/9/2023, 12:18:14, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Trouble is, if you cancel it now it's what £25bn completely wasted.
Re: HS2
Posted by MG on 25/9/2023, 14:40:17, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Yes, it would take a brave politician to axe it now.
Shame that we simply don't have any.
Re: HS2
Posted by Andy Cappucino on 25/9/2023, 11:57:53, in reply to "HS2 "
If only Labour hadn't started with this daft idea in the first place
Re: HS2
Posted by The Outsider on 25/9/2023, 12:41:44, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Posted by Caught Jester on 25/9/2023, 12:32:37, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Because Chicory someone had the idea to cut the fastest journey time from Manchester to London from 2hrs 5mins to 1hr 11mins with a super quick, newly built high speed rail link. You know - a bit like they have in France, Germany and Spain.
Re: HS2
Posted by ASLEF on 25/9/2023, 12:49:32, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Exactly Labour formed HS2 Ltd in January 2009. The Tories came in May 2010. Not a single shovel had broken ground at that point. Absolutely no obligation to carry on with it. A bit like when Labour had the idea of a health service for everyone free at the point of use. And they’ve ####ed that too.
Re: HS2
Posted by TPDC on 25/9/2023, 12:22:52, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Curious to know why you think it was a draft idea?
Re: HS2
Posted by Ches Fordroad on 25/9/2023, 11:59:34, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
Of course, I KNEW it had to be someone else's fault.
Re: HS2
Posted by crumpsall on 25/9/2023, 12:20:42, in reply to "Re: HS2 "
It was, of course, Justine Greening who gave it the go ahead. As part of a Conservative government.
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the government needs to intervene and get to grips with the costs. Blaming inflation and war in Ukraine is a total smokescreen for their flawed let market forces dictate price ideology. Costs were spiralling out of control way before all that. 