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    Handball

    Posted by MOTD on 24/9/2023, 8:14:04

    Still canít quite believe how theyíre adamant thatís not handball.

    Iím trying to remain objective but itís stonewall penalty in my eyes.

    Also, their goal, is our GK at fault? If he just stands there and doesnít crouch down he saves it. Maybe Iím being harsh

      Re: Handball

      Posted by Town called Malice on 24/9/2023, 17:38:12, in reply to "Handball"

      I agree with you on the keeper and their goal,Should have saved it.

        Re: Handball

        Posted by The Boy Edwards on 24/9/2023, 12:23:06, in reply to "Handball"

        If you think the goalkeeper was at fault you need to start watching another sport.

          Re: Handball

          Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 24/9/2023, 10:16:26, in reply to "Handball"

          The fashion in punditry is to pretend the hand ball rule is incredibly complicated, "where are you supposed to put your arms" etc.

          In my book, and the law book, if the attacking team is impeded because the ball hits a defender's arm, then it's a foul. Regardless of "intention".

            Re: Handball

            Posted by RADSB on 24/9/2023, 10:16:15, in reply to "Handball"

            Simple - MOTD don't know the Laws of the Game.
            Ref and the VAR ref do, as Sandgrounder and others had said.

            Stray pass, Nakamba blocked by the ref, Locks is poor as should have been row Z - Neto blasts it from 8 yards out so I've no problem with the keeper.

              Re: Handball

              Posted by Ref Watch on 24/9/2023, 10:00:31, in reply to "Handball"

              The handball law and the offside law is now a minefield with all the different scenarios. To the letter of the law that wasn't handball, he is too close to be able to do anything about it as it ricochets off his thigh.It wasn't deliberate. The hand being in what might be called an unnatural position will always be questionable,who decides what is a natural position when attempting to block a cross, every player is different, its ridiculous to defend with hands behind your back.
              Did he make his body bigger, yes he did, but did he do that deliberately?

                Re: Handball

                Posted by MOTD on 24/9/2023, 10:06:19, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                Thatís not the current rules though. Advice was clarified the other year by Riley, head of PGMOL. Under their guidance, itís a penalty as hands were above the shoulder

                  Re: Handball

                  Posted by Ref Watch on 24/9/2023, 16:47:17, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                  It's been updated again before this season, the more they tinker with it the more confusing it becomes. Be simpler to just go back to in the refs view was it deliberate or accidental.

                  Re: Handball

                  Posted by Sandgrounder on 24/9/2023, 10:05:06, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                  Itís handball.

                  Distance - irrelevant
                  Ricochet - irrelevant
                  Deliberate - irrelevant as hand was way above his head (unnatural position)

                  https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1695535433.html

                  Re: Handball

                  Posted by Madpig on 24/9/2023, 9:50:50, in reply to "Handball"

                  Neto skinned Lockyer.

                    Re: Handball

                    Posted by Tel on 24/9/2023, 9:13:42, in reply to "Handball"

                    If he stands tall the Neto just rolls it in , he crouched to make the target smaller and it was a decent finish.

                      Re: Handball

                      Posted by MG on 24/9/2023, 9:06:57, in reply to "Handball"

                      At the end of the day, despite what their manager said in his comedy interview it would have been a travesty if they had won that. Just them getting a point seems a bit fortunate to me.

                      I'd not have been too inclined to argue if that had been given against us, we've had harsher given against us recently. Whereas the WHU one . . . that's a penalty, stonewall, in any year I've been watching football, regardless of guidance.

                        Re: Handball

                        Posted by Sick Boy on 24/9/2023, 8:45:07, in reply to "Handball"

                        It's never a penalty in any sane sport. The bloke has done everything correct. He's blocked the cross with his foot.
                        He fly's up and stokes his arm in a split second and there is zero he could do about it.

                        The whole hand all thing has become a complete farce.

                          Re: Handball

                          Posted by MOTD on 24/9/2023, 8:57:34, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                          The guidance was if hands above shoulders then itís likely to be given, accidental or not.

                          Agree that might not be sane but that was the advice when Riley was in charge.

                          Re: Handball

                          Posted by Town n out on 24/9/2023, 8:29:19, in reply to "Handball"

                          It's absolutely OK to accept we were fortunate to get that one, it was ball to hand and not deliberate. Not a penalty as almost everyone in football seems to be suggesting.

                            Re: Handball

                            Posted by Philthehatter on 24/9/2023, 8:49:08, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                            Makes up for the WHU decision.

                              Re: Handball

                              Posted by MOTD on 24/9/2023, 8:32:51, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                              Hand above your head and the ball smacks it in the box diverting it away from goal and out for a corner? Thatís stonewall.

                              If his hands were down next to his side thatís different

                                Re: Handball

                                Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 24/9/2023, 8:48:49, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                Physical impossible...

                              Re: Handball

                              Posted by iReckon... on 24/9/2023, 8:28:52, in reply to "Handball"

                              ... it's all a mess. We have 'laws' and then they go on about interpretations the latter of which you can't find any record of.

                              However, IFAB laws - which I imagine we follow - had this 'deflection' content in the 20/21 version but specifically omitted from all later years' versions. So are all the pundits applying the wrong standard.

                              Yes - I have spent the last half-hour comparing them! Time to take dog for walk.

                              Whatever's right - all shows that on the whole VAR is ineffective as if yesterday's should have been overturned then surely we should have got the West Ham one... so what's the point?

                                Re: Handball

                                Posted by RADSB on 24/9/2023, 8:39:57, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                Good research on the deflection - don't apologise. If you want to do some research for Hatters' Heritage just let me know

                                But yeah, an even bigger mess when you look at the two pens given at Brighton in our first game.

                                  Re: Handball

                                  Posted by James in Cumbria on 24/9/2023, 8:32:37, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                  In my onions based on TV and youtuce watching, he has his arm swinging about no real control its a pen

                                    Re: Handball

                                    Posted by Snapper on 24/9/2023, 8:51:28, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                    And as someone pointed out last night, Taylorís goal in the playoff final was disallowed for exact same thing,and all the pundits said that was correct so pen for me

                                      Re: Handball

                                      Posted by James in Cumbria on 24/9/2023, 9:00:23, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                      Does ball to hand as we know it still exist

                                        Re: Handball

                                        Posted by R27 on 24/9/2023, 9:07:16, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                        That depends on who is in control of VAR. The whole thing is, as mentioned above, a mess and should be consigned to the waste bin.

                                          Re: Handball

                                          Posted by Snapper on 24/9/2023, 9:04:55, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                          Not sure, but if you go by reactions. We in the kenny all shouted for a pen instantly, and the wolves player didnít argue and excepted it. It was his team mates the remonstrated. It didnít feel like the ref made a terrible decision at the time as the blokes hand was waving over his head

                                            Re: Handball

                                            Posted by James in Cumbria on 24/9/2023, 9:07:39, in reply to "Re: Handball"

                                            I would take them all season, keep banging in those crosses or corners ,mayhem in the box leads to goals

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