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If we had...

Posted by thebeast on 24/9/2023, 7:15:05

The killer striker then i can't help feeling we'd be in different position....so many chances are being created...

If we're in touch come Jan window, would it be worth getting that £10-15m striker?

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 9:14:48, in reply to "If we had..."

We have a “natural”’goalscorer/poacher in Taylor who we decided to send out on loan.

We did that presumably because we thought we were going to get someone like Archer in on loan. Moreover RE said with two weeks to go to the Brighton games that he wanted four more in. We got Menghi and Albert - so presumably again at least one of those who didn’t arrive was a central striker.

We should have held off letting Taylor go until we were satisfied we had a squad of 25 and sufficient goal scoring options.

To be left with 24 and no obvious back up in the U21’s when we have “£170m” to play with just seems a bit of a mistake.

The common assumption is that we won’t spend the money on wages that a striker will demand, that just doesn’t work - strikers are paid more because they score goals and goals win matches.

But if we really are not wanting to pay that level of wage then don’t let Taylor or McAtee go out on loan.

Our last resort now is the scraps of the Free Agent market, it should never have go to that.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cuba Spotter on 24/9/2023, 9:53:02, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Why post basically the same thing day in day out?

You've made your point, now shut up

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Posted by Ches Fordroad on 24/9/2023, 11:21:07, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

I’ll bet that he would have been one of those moaning about Taylor being “yet another waste of money” before that Wembley cameo.

That’s why he’s always changing his name. Makes it that bit harder to spot his tank hypocrisy.

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Posted by Ches Fordroad on 24/9/2023, 11:29:06, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

* rank hypocrisy

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Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 11:33:50, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

That is actually completely untrue.

A number of fans including me suggested otherwise.

If MH rated him that was enough for me.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cuba Spotter on 24/9/2023, 11:39:02, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

But Woodrow isn't?

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Posted by Ches Fordroad on 24/9/2023, 9:48:25, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Yes that’s right.

Clearly THE ANSWER is the bloke who got a few minutes here and there last season.

At his current rate of improvement he’ll be the next Jimmy Greaves by Christmas in some people’s eyes.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 11:36:25, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

So what is your suggestion of a solution to our goalscoring problem?

Given that the rest of the team are now looking like a PL team, what would you do differently to ensure we start to score from open play?

Genuine question.

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Posted by Spud on 24/9/2023, 11:51:00, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

How about recalling Pereira, giving him a new, improved ten year contract with a 'must play when fit' clause? Eh, Cuba?

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Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 11:59:54, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

A year later…..

Change the record.

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Posted by Spud on 24/9/2023, 12:19:13, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Ironic post.....

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Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 12:42:28, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Innit!! The dull cùnt.

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Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 9:17:50, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

The answer to our premier league goal scoring problems is the bloke who couldn’t get a game for us last season or in the Peterborough team.

Should never have not let him go

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Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 9:21:07, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Over the invisible 25th man and Woodrow yes I he is. The bloke is a menace as again can be seen in yesterday’s highlights.

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Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 9:25:57, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

There are enough highlights of our current strikers being more of a menace at a far higher level than League 2. And if Taylor played you would be asking why we hadn’t bought a better striker of why he’s playing over Adebayo. Can’t win, Cuba.

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Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 9:34:36, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

You do agree that we have created enough in the last three games to have have won all three or at least have more than one point.

If Taylor was never in the plans then who was?

We have three full time strikers; it’s simply not enough.

As good as each are they have never been premier league players and each has had one stand out season and that was in the Championship.

You may also argue that if any of the three were that good they would have attracted offers at the level Archer, Akpom, Tella and Gyökeres did.

Brown is good player but he wasn’t event guaranteed a start at Stoke.

And I don’t include Woodrow as a striking option, his goal return has never been good enough.

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Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 12:51:48, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Out of interest Fatso, how many PL sides have you managed?

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 13:05:23, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

I have managed two teams.

One of those teams got promoted to a much higher level standard wise.

We were outclassed to start with but we then found our feet and soon adapted.

Much as Luton have done since Chelsea.

My point remains that we are a goal scorer short now of being more than comfortable.

Can we find more goals from within the squad?

Yesterday was setup for Berry to come on and do what he does best.

Annoyed that RE thought that Woodrow and Eli were the answer.

Subs at any level is about changing the threat to the opponent and Kilman and Dawson couldn’t believe their luck when the speedy Brown was replaced by Woodrow.

Don’t need to be a PL manager to see a problem with that.

Re: If we had...

Posted by crumpsall on 24/9/2023, 13:23:05, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

With all due respect (which is absolutely none) you really do post a load of old nonsense. Largely attempting to construct some false logic to disguise your inane obsessions. Currently Taylor and your dislike of Woodrow. It doesn't work: it's still nonsense.

And I'm pretty sure I won't be the only one who suspects your 'team management' was at best a kids park side, or more likely subbuteo.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 13:55:05, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

It was actually Step 12>11 and was 25 years ago in Hertfordshire. I am long since retired being nearly 70.

I noticed that someone above has also questioned what Woodrow actually offers, the fact that you choose to knock anyone who questions his role I find curious.

Rather than criticise me how about giving an opinion.

Anyway I come from a time where men like John Still and Paul Fairclough were always held up as examples of how to run non-league teams, they found ways to score goals come what may and perhaps this influences my view too much.

I like teams that can score goals for all positions and players who can beat players and deliver, yesterday we had so many good opportunities to find a way pass their defence but instead we managed to waste it time and time again.

Re: If we had...

Posted by crumpsall on 24/9/2023, 14:24:58, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

We're not a non league team are we? What sort of bizarre argument is that?

Why don't you just admit that your endless posts under a huge variety of names are just a vehicle for your daft personal obsessions, starting with Pereira. You made an absolute fool of yourself with that and you continue to do so especially with Taylor.

Oh, and I've helped manage a park football team too, in the Manchester league. It doesn't take much and it certainly doesn't vindicate criticism of any manager at our level: any old fool can do it.

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Posted by Cigar Chap on 24/9/2023, 15:32:40, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Why does it bother you so much?

Why can’t I have my opinions without generating such rudeness?

It’s almost as if there is something else that is behind this?

Not sure I have done anything to offend you other than having an opinion on the clubs players which you have an obvious right to differ on, isn’t that what this board is for? Why do you have the right to judge who can say what?

I am not a Rachman character and never have been.

Re: If we had...

Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 16:28:15, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

You totally have the right to post your opinion. Others are entitled to have an opinion about your opinion.

Deal with it.

Re: If we had...

Posted by crumpsall on 24/9/2023, 15:36:48, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

What a very, very strange post.

And totally ridiculous. You post on here, you get replies. That's how it works.

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Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 14:13:47, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Oh well if you managed at step 12, why haven't you said sooner? Get in touch with Robbie pal. I'm sure your wisdom and expertise will be prove to be invaluable when we play the likes of Man City and Liverpool.

Re: If we had...

Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 13:11:30, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

I mean in real life block head. Not Champ Manager.

Which teams?

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Posted by MG on 24/9/2023, 9:45:40, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

One stand out season in the Championship . . .

Taylor hasn't done that at any level.

I doubt he was ever thought of as likely to be a starter in an EPL season, not at this stage, so that's why he went on loan, not because we thought we would be getting some expensive striker in. They cost huge amounts.

By the way, Morris wasn't a guaranteed starter for his previous club either.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 9:52:59, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Correct. He wouldn’t have played this season if he was here. Much more beneficial for his development to be on loan and play week in week out.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 9:43:48, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

We had 3 strikers playing yesterday and one on the bench. So more than you say. Enjoying how you dismiss Woodrow as not ever scoring, ignoring his two very decent Barnsley seasons, yet desperate to include Taylor because he’s had a very decent start but 4divisions lower. This time last year you were whinging about Dion. Never changes, does it?

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 10:09:17, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Woodrow had an ok goal scoring seasons in League 1 and the Championship for Barnsley and that was 18/19 and 19/20 respectively.

He has since had two serious injuries.

I just can’t see how he is the answer for us in the 23/24 PL season.

Not suggesting Taylor was either but Taylor over the missing 25th man has to be more help than not having anyone else.

Developing Joe Taylor is fine but to do that at the cost of success in the PL does seem the wrong approach.

Moreover I think Taylor would have come on yesterday, he would have given Kilman a much harder time than Woodrow and Eli did - which was effectively nothing.

We wanted Archer, we didn’t get him - what was Plan B????

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Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 10:33:33, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

You said you don’t think Taylor is the answer but then say our entire success in the PL is dependent on him and his development elsewhere will cost us.

Love how you write off Woodrow as ‘ok’ but now everything depends on Joe Taylor playing for a team which is one of the worst in the country.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 10:50:03, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Taylor shouldn’t be the answer but as he is our player he would be an option. (Well he would have been)

If we aren’t willing to pay the wages for players then I am not sure what other option we have?

Just seems odd to allow a natural goalscorer go out on loan if we didn’t plan to replace.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Of course on 24/9/2023, 10:53:14, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

We’ve replaced him with someone who started up front for his country against the Netherlands and someone with a far superior championship record. Your obsession with our loan players being the solution is weird.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cuba Spotter on 24/9/2023, 10:12:42, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Shut the #### up you bore

Re: If we had...

Posted by bbb on 24/9/2023, 8:07:02, in reply to "If we had..."

What's a killer striker? Like Ted Bundy shit?

Re: If we had...

Posted by For on 24/9/2023, 7:45:14, in reply to "If we had..."

Once in my life, in have had the same thought as you.

I need to sort my life out

Re: If we had...

Posted by Dave on 24/9/2023, 7:41:40, in reply to "If we had..."

Yesterday we created lots of chances. But with Brown and Ogbene out wide whenever a cross comes over there was only Morris to win for against their big centre backs.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Alien Nate on 24/9/2023, 7:20:13, in reply to "If we had..."

No. A particular sum of money does not mean that a particular player would fit in. If still in touch, then they are doing something right. Maybe look for an up and coming star.

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Posted by R27 on 24/9/2023, 9:09:47, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

You mean like Joe Taylor ?

Re: If we had...

Posted by Cigar chap on 24/9/2023, 9:15:53, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Quite.

Re: If we had...

Posted by thebeast on 24/9/2023, 7:23:19, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

it's risked , granted

but if we're still in touch at then what area do we strengthening?

i figured a top class striker?

Re: If we had...

Posted by Sandgrounder on 24/9/2023, 7:19:18, in reply to "If we had..."

What £10-15 million striker would that be then? Archer cost over £18 million and has basically never played in the premier league. Everton just spent nearly 30 million on a striker who has scored a maximum of 11 goals in a season. Who would we get for 10 million who would score the goals to keep us up?

Re: If we had...

Posted by thebeast on 24/9/2023, 7:21:15, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

we may have to take a chance and go abroad....there's always someone waiting

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Posted by Sandgrounder on 24/9/2023, 7:23:29, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Like Everton did?

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Posted by thebeast on 24/9/2023, 7:25:26, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

your so negative ,not sure what to say.

Re: If we had...

Posted by Sandgrounder on 24/9/2023, 7:27:53, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

I agree that a striker is the priority position to strengthen. But fees are so inflated now that even 10s of millions of pounds will not get you someone who is guaranteed to score 10-15 goals. We can invest in potential, of course, but that’s what we have done

Re: If we had...

Posted by thebeast on 24/9/2023, 7:34:21, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Thats fair enough but i was only making the point that we're getting better and slowly coming to terms with the speed of this league.....

there's a bunch of teams all around us so we have a good chance of getting out of this

Re: If we had...

Posted by Albert on 24/9/2023, 7:27:48, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Say nothing your premis is wrong thinking

Re: If we had...

Posted by J in C back from walking Mylo on 24/9/2023, 7:18:49, in reply to "If we had..."

No not really we have good strikers already

Re: If we had...

Posted by Observer on 24/9/2023, 8:19:46, in reply to "Re: If we had..."

Have we discarded Ade?
Needs game time to adjust like we seem to offer new players.
Get Pelly on from the start too!

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