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    Today. Not good enough

    Posted by Stopsley on 23/9/2023, 20:35:44

    A lucky point against a team whoíll be fighting relegation and played with 10 men for most of the game. Nowhere near good enough to have any chance of staying up. Letís not delude ourselves. Some people saying it was a good point? Really? If we have any aspirations of staying up games like today are must win. The season is obviosuly not done yet but letís be honest, anything less than a win at Goodison Park is a disaster.

      Re: Today. Not good enough

      Posted by Sick Boy on 23/9/2023, 21:49:44, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

      Most stupid post ever award goes too.....

        Re: Today. Not good enough

        Posted by Ramridge Raider on 23/9/2023, 20:49:04, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

        No offence but that is one of the most stupid posts I've ever seen on this board. No wonder you have hid by an alias.

        95% know we are likely to go down. What we want to see is a bit of heart and progression. If you didn't see that today then you are the one that is truly 'deluded'

          Re: Today. Not good enough

          Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:57:23, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

          +1

          Re: Today. Not good enough

          Posted by Stopsley on 23/9/2023, 20:53:31, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

          Iím a very occasional poster but regular reader of the board.

          Whatís stupid is people kidding than elves that a draw at home
          Against 10 men relegation rivals is a good result.

          Some people would accept us losing every week because we used to be shit a few years ago we should be thankful to be playing the likes of mighty Wolves.

            Re: Today. Not good enough

            Posted by Ramridge Raider on 23/9/2023, 20:59:41, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

            If I was you, I'd give up your season ticket and give it to someone more rewarding.

            It's going to be a tough ride this season and I dont think you are up for it mate.

              Re: Today. Not good enough

              Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 21:23:00, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

              The issue RR is that this was obvious when we didnít have an alternative to Archer.

              As a former pro yourself I am sure you can see the frustration with Woodrow being a ďchange/impactĒ sub in the PLÖ.

                Re: Today. Not good enough

                Posted by Sandgrounder on 23/9/2023, 21:27:22, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                Trouble is nothing is guaranteed though. Sheff Utd have spent nearly £60 million across a couple of premier league seasons on 3 strikers - McBurnie, Brewster and Archer. They got relegated last time, may well get relegated this time and would probably recoup a tiny fraction of what they spent on McBurnie and Brewster if they sold them now.

                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                  Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 21:34:38, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                  Donít we have enough good investments to be be able to take a risk once?

              Re: Today. Not good enough

              Posted by RADSB on 23/9/2023, 20:57:13, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

              You just went dumber instead of taking the hint. Pure stupid generic plastic posting not based on reality.

                Re: Today. Not good enough

                Posted by Stopsley on 23/9/2023, 21:08:01, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                Excuse me if I donít give a shit what you think?!?

                The attitude of some fans is an embarrassment

                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                  Posted by Ches Fordroad on 23/9/2023, 21:35:14, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                  "The attitude of some fans is an embarrassment"

                  Wasn't expecting that level of self-awareness from you

                    Re: Today. Not good enough

                    Posted by RADSB on 23/9/2023, 21:11:33, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                    Your posts certainly are embarrassing.

                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 23/9/2023, 20:55:07, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                  That's a wild leap to a wrong conclusion.

                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                  Posted by Yup on 23/9/2023, 20:51:12, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                  Donít you read any of James posts then!

                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                  Posted by RADSB on 23/9/2023, 20:45:38, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

                  Typical lots of moaning & no balance from a new name.

                    Re: Today. Not good enough

                    Posted by Herts Hatter on 23/9/2023, 20:41:40, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

                    Overall I agree with you but the context is that we had zero points so just getting something was really important to demonstrate that we can compete in this league. The penalty was obviously lucky although overall we had far more chances. The main thing for me is that we are starting to look a bit better defensively (only 2 conceded in last 2 games). We can't score which is killing us now - I just don't understand how so many good balls into the box get no return

                      Re: Today. Not good enough

                      Posted by Yup on 23/9/2023, 20:48:52, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                      Lockyer was hopelessly caught out for their goal though.
                      The lack of pace at the back is worrying.
                      How we didnít win the game is still a mystery, we were sensational first half.

                        Re: Today. Not good enough

                        Posted by Ramridge Raider on 23/9/2023, 20:50:48, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                        My first thoughts until you see what Neto did to Liverpool last week.

                          Re: Today. Not good enough

                          Posted by Yup on 23/9/2023, 20:51:55, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                          True he is class, but Lockyer had a head start.

                            Re: Today. Not good enough

                            Posted by Grumpy on 23/9/2023, 20:57:11, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                            He was also playing in the national league for a season and has pushed himself to this level.

                        Re: Today. Not good enough

                        Posted by The Real Anon on 23/9/2023, 20:47:01, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                        Difficult with so many defenders in the box and only 2 of out attackers
                        We need to actually commit and move towards the ball rather than let it just fall to us!

                          Re: Today. Not good enough

                          Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:43:08, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                          We're saving them all for next weekend!



                          Re: Today. Not good enough

                          Posted by pingu on 23/9/2023, 20:38:10, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

                          was hardly lucky🤣.

                          you think we got away with that??

                            Re: Today. Not good enough

                            Posted by Stopsley on 23/9/2023, 20:41:30, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                            If it werenít for us getting a very soft penalty (we were owed one no doubt) we would have lost today. We havenít got a striker worthy of the name

                              Re: Today. Not good enough

                              Posted by Yup on 23/9/2023, 20:50:33, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                              Morris was really unlucky when he hit the post, great control and strike.

                                Re: Today. Not good enough

                                Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:55:11, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                Indeed. As was Brown last week; great technique to power the header goalward but so unlucky to see it canon off the woodwork.

                                Re: Today. Not good enough

                                Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:43:37, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                              Re: Today. Not good enough

                              Posted by mvhatter on 23/9/2023, 20:37:50, in reply to "Today. Not good enough"

                              Buying into the Premier League narrative there, they love a CLUB IN CRISIS headline.

                                Re: Today. Not good enough

                                Posted by Stopsley on 23/9/2023, 20:40:37, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                We are far from a club in crisis but with regard to this season and any hope of staying up, we are bang in it and anyone who doesnít think so is kidding themselves on.

                                  Re: Today. Not good enough

                                  Posted by mvhatter on 23/9/2023, 20:44:24, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                  You must have expected us to be where we are, it can't have come as a shock.
                                  I thought we all knew what was coming.

                                    Re: Today. Not good enough

                                    Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:42:13, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                    If you can't see the improvements that have been made, game on game, then I think you might find that it is you who is kidding yourself!

                                      Re: Today. Not good enough

                                      Posted by Herts Hatter on 23/9/2023, 20:45:06, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                      Seem a lot more composure defensively and less easy turnovers in midfield. The players seem like they are actively being told to think when they get the ball and not just charge forward (perhaps no Chong is helping in that regard). Scoring wise we are totally shit - the off side goal was an interesting example when we try to play with some quality in the final third rather than pass out wide and cross it in

                                        Re: Today. Not good enough

                                        Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:48:08, in reply to "Re: Today. Not good enough"

                                        That offside goal was interesting. IIRC it was Ogbene nutmegging their defender (rather than always going on the outside of his man) who played it in and after it came back out to him I initially thought he was way offside. But on the replay it looked far more marginal.

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