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    The 25th man

    Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 19:53:24

    In a game when we dominated almost all possession we created few clear chances and those that we did we didnít work the keeper.

    Isnít it clear to the manager that we are missing an established striker.

    After getting this far I am still shocked that we havenít tried something in the free agent market to try and tilt things in our favour.

    We had chances against West Ham that we rushed, we hit the post at Fulham and rushed other chances and today we again hit the post and failed to get another decent shot on target, a few weak headers.

    For all our improvement we just need to swallow the wage situation and see who we can get and then I really do think we can justifiably compete.

    The rewards if it works are vast.

    The costs if it doesnít arenít huge.

      Re: The 25th man

      Posted by Mr T on 23/9/2023, 20:34:13, in reply to "The 25th man"

      Such as Ö.?

        Re: The 25th man

        Posted by mvhatter on 23/9/2023, 20:21:45, in reply to "The 25th man"

        we just need to swallow the wage situation.

        That's it.... spend more.

        Thanks but no thanks Garth.

          Re: The 25th man

          Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 20:26:44, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

          Spending just a bit more to give us a chance is VERY different to spending and wasting money.

          We were a Paul Walsh or Garth Crooks from winning today.

            Re: The 25th man

            Posted by mvhatter on 23/9/2023, 20:30:04, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

            4 games in and plenty calling Ross Barkley a waste of money.
            No guarantees out there.
            Best to have a process, one that's been very successful, and stick with it.

              Re: The 25th man

              Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 20:33:06, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

              Fair point but we allowed two other goalscorers to go out on loan, both who at least had more prolific records albeit at lower levels.

              Taylor could have stayed and not even been named in the 25.

                Re: The 25th man

                Posted by mvhatter on 23/9/2023, 20:36:14, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                We've all got different solutions to the issues we face.
                First point I the bag, onwards and upwards.
                COYH

          Re: The 25th man

          Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 23/9/2023, 20:04:00, in reply to "The 25th man"

          yes. because there are countless premier league quality strikers sitting waiting for someone to sign them. for nothing.

            Re: The 25th man

            Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 23/9/2023, 20:20:05, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

            Or could it be..we have championship level stickers.. with with improved quality of coaching..by a prem coach could bring them up to this level...

              Re: The 25th man

              Posted by TRUTHTELLER on 23/9/2023, 20:08:10, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

              If our scouting network looked beyond Barnsley we might actually find another Vardy...

                Re: The 25th man

                Posted by Godders on 23/9/2023, 20:33:35, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                And where did Vardy come from?

                You clearly don't know that he came from the mighty Fleetwood, and AFC Halifax before that.

                  Re: The 25th man

                  Posted by TRUTHTELLER on 23/9/2023, 21:39:35, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                  That was my point.

                Re: The 25th man

                Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 20:07:32, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                There are actually a few out of contract strikers who we could sign.

                I just feel we need to take that chance.

                The rewards are obvious.

                We canít dominate like that and rely on a penalty that shouldnít have been and against ten men.

                The players and we deserve better and more experience in the squad.

                Most will accept relegation but today was a chance to change the narrative.

                We fluffed it.

                  Re: The 25th man

                  Posted by HeathHatter on 23/9/2023, 20:16:28, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                  Please name these strikers who are free agents, and who would be likely to be on affordable wages, who would have a significant impact on our "goals for" column. Better still, email the club with the relevant name(s).

                    Re: The 25th man

                    Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 20:36:40, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                    Junior Stanislas
                    Andre Ayew
                    Andros Townsend

                    Plus many across Europe.


                      Re: The 25th man

                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/9/2023, 20:38:50, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                      Stanislas is no better than what we have.
                      Same with Ayew who was shite for forest last year.

                      Townsend is finished and also not a striker

                        Re: The 25th man

                        Posted by heathHatter on 23/9/2023, 21:20:08, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                        Ayew has 3 goals in his last 43 games in the Prem, dating back to 2017. Townsend's is 32 and his scoring rate in the Prem has always been very low, although to be fair he is a winger. Stanislas is 33 and his scoring record isn't that great either. I think this kind of illustrates the point. It's really not easy to find prolific strikers at this level without spending a shedload of money (and even then it can very quickly go horribly wrong).

                          Re: The 25th man

                          Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 21:46:23, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                          Townsend has vast PL experience, makes goals and we know can finish. If fit, how can you compare him to someone has ineffective as Woodrow?

                            Re: The 25th man

                            Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/9/2023, 21:50:09, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                            He's also coming back from a serious injury.

                            Do we know he can finish? A handful of curlers from distance but Barkley can do that

                              Re: The 25th man

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 23/9/2023, 21:54:14, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                              It's also the level of wages he would want.

                                Re: The 25th man

                                Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 22:08:02, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                He almost signed for Burnley, they pulled the rug at the last minute.

                                Offer him wage cap limit and big bonus for goals/assists/safety that is paid once he makes an agreed number of appearances.

                                We can afford to and I am not sure we can afford not to.

                                If he fit he would offer something different and he still wants to play.

                                https://talksport.com/football/1529500/andros-townsend-burnley-contract-retracted/amp/

                                  Re: The 25th man

                                  Posted by The Outsider on 23/9/2023, 22:24:46, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                  Simon Jordan then asked about the prospect of an offer from a Ďsignificantí Championship side, and he replied: ďI think at the moment, my aim is the Premier League.

                                  ďI want to see the season start, clubs maybe need a winger, might have injuries, might realise theyíre short in that area, might need my services. So Iím going to wait probably a week or so to see if thereís any Premier League options.

                                  ďYes [sign after the window as a free agent], but I wouldnít want to ideally because I missed the whole of last season. I didnít play at all so I wouldnít want to get into a situation now where Iíd probably be playing catchup If I waited until September.

                                  ďNow, Iím fully fit, Iíve just finished my stint at Burnley, Iím ready to go. Iíll probably leave it a week or so and then Iíll start branching out of the Premier League.Ē


                                  The article was dated 11 August - he was going to wait "a week or so". Six weeks later, he is still waiting. Why has no other team signed him?

                                  He says himself that he would probably be playing catch up if he left it until September.

                                  Do we need a winger? You said yourself that we need an established striker.

                                    Re: The 25th man

                                    Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 22:37:35, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                    All very fair points.

                                    We obviously need a goal scorer but if one isnít available then get the best creator we can for wages only.

                                    A fit Townsend will create chances and then maybe we will see our strikers having better returns with better chances created.

                                    Someone said earlier that our crosses and corners are poor and today they were. Townsend would add quality there.

                                    Itís clearly all far too late to be considering this but one goal from open play so far quite clearly isnít good.

                                    Would love to know if we ever decided we had enough or if something fell through close to deadline day.

                                    If Woodrow is Plan B then we are unfortunately very unlikely to survive and that is such a shame, was sure the clubs recruitment team knew better than that.

                                      Re: The 25th man

                                      Posted by The Outsider on 23/9/2023, 23:09:21, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                      We had twenty shots today so it wouldn't appear that creating chances is the problem so why break our salary cap for an unfit version of what we already have.

                                      As I said, it is six weeks since that article and he still doesn't have a club.

                                      Bring back Dion

                                        Re: The 25th man

                                        Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 23:13:29, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                        Dion isnít good enough, proven.

                                        But that isnít really the point.

                                        Didnít we convert Joe Payne to a forward?

                                        Re: The 25th man

                                        Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/9/2023, 22:48:40, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                        So it's changed from Townsend is the finisher we need to Townsend is the creator we need..

                                        He's not played for a year, is 32 and probably not good enough any more.

                                        Woodrow showed decent chances today and when he came on against West ham. Gives a different option and can finish. Rather him than Townsend with one leg

                                          Re: The 25th man

                                          Posted by crumpsall on 23/9/2023, 22:57:21, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                          Rarely I agree wholeheartedly with you squire but spot on.

                                          Cuba/Cigar chap is either a routine or a completely clueless idiot about the way Luton Town roll.

                                            Re: The 25th man

                                            Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 23:11:35, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                            Itís not a routine, FFS I just make points about ways the team could improve.

                                            Of course Townsend is unlikely and a last resort.

                                            Just wishes we had spent the money more wisely and not left ourselves obviously short up front.

                                            You both seriously think Woodrow is good enough?

                                              Re: The 25th man

                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/9/2023, 23:02:22, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                              People seem to like my football posts, it's just all the others....


                                              I just can't see where Townsend would fit in.

                                                Re: The 25th man

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 23/9/2023, 23:19:51, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                                Spot on Doc,stick to the football! 😀

                              Re: The 25th man

                              Posted by Cigar chap on 23/9/2023, 20:45:08, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                              We are not really choosers Doctor are we?

                              It should never have got to a situation where we are one natural goalscorer short of being a mid table side. Total missed opportunity, the rest of the team now look up to speed.

                              Fuming today as we had that game under control but we canít shoot, other than the one that hit the post.

                              Lyle Taylor?

                                Re: The 25th man

                                Posted by Doctor Ince on 23/9/2023, 21:13:49, in reply to "Re: The 25th man"

                                But none of the options youve listed are natural strikers.

                                Lyle Taylor had one decent season.

                                We have better in the squad now than Townsend, Ayew, Stanislas and Taylor.

                                Morris was unlucky with the long shot today, and had a decent chance with the header. Scored the pen. Brown unlucky with the header last week. It will come

                      Re: The 25th man

                      Posted by Bit embarrassed for Locks on 23/9/2023, 19:56:41, in reply to "The 25th man"

                      Barry

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