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    Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

    Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 18:32:13

    What sort of society has this become. Jesus.

      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

      Posted by Godders on 21/9/2023, 13:57:16, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

      Let him rot behind bars

        Could he do a job for us?

        Posted by Finchley on 20/9/2023, 19:27:26, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

        Striker?

          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

          Posted by Herts Hatter on 20/9/2023, 19:22:50, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

          The "liberal left" are basically nutters

          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

          Posted by Andy Cappucino on 20/9/2023, 19:14:17, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

          Disgusting

            Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

            Posted by J in C on 20/9/2023, 19:01:58, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

            Next Spurs manager?

            Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

            Posted by Wilt on 20/9/2023, 18:43:35, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

            A very sad one.

              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

              Posted by Bloke on 20/9/2023, 18:40:42, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

              it puts up with you

              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

              Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 18:39:23, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

              https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1695223286.html

                Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 18:43:57, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                He didnít stop his mate pushing batteries into Jamieís eyes then?

                Oh.

                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                  Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 18:50:08, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                  If you read my message the underlying tone from the stuff I've read about the case and the lads in question you would realise that, from what I've understood, Thompson was the leader and Venables went along. I haven't ever tried to defend or suggest either were not guilty and frankly, if you were following the lead if someone else you're not likely to stand up to that person in a context like this.

                  I wish more people would stop and think about it rather all jump on the hatred band wagon. We're all disgusted at the horrific crime but it's how you respond that is very telling.

                    Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                    Posted by Oh really? on 20/9/2023, 18:58:06, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                    Care to expand on your final sentence? only you appear very judgemental.

                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                      Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 19:26:24, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                      Yes it does on reflection, which wasn't great. But being as you've invited me to expand... what I mean by that is that it's easy to get caught up in the hysteria and emotion of a situation rather than trying to take a step aside and try and give a more measured response.

                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                        Posted by Buzzard on 20/9/2023, 19:36:15, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                        Is it possible to have hysteria for 30 years?

                        I bet there weren't many who thought 'well in 30 years I hope those 2 young boys will have learned the error of their ways and come back in to society in peace'

                        Quite rightly people hoped that they would die a very painful death in prison.

                        I don't think it's in anyway 'hysterical' to not want cnuts like Venables walking amongst us.

                        #### him. The horrible little bastard.

                        RIP James Bulger.

                          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                          Posted by Bloke on 20/9/2023, 19:46:10, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                          Well said.

                            Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                            Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 19:45:58, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                            If you're emotionally involved in case then absolutely you've caught up in the hysteria emotion of it. The loss must be utterly devastating and something you'd probably never lose.

                            And if you're not emotionally involved why shouldn't you hope for peace, love, reconciliation, healing, restoration, redemption, transformation etc? God help us, literally, if we can't hope for the best in people.

                              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                              Posted by Buzzard on 20/9/2023, 19:49:27, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                              Because people like Venables made decisions in life that mean they are not worthy of forgiveness.


                              Society is better off without them.

                                Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 19:59:45, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                From what we know, Venables was remorseful during the trial and sentencing. Incidentally far more so than Thompson.
                                I wonder if that trial happened today that it would have questioned Venables' ability to make sound choices under the friendship of Thompson. From what we know after sentencing it is evident that Venables hasn't been able to make sound decisions.

                                I wouldn't want to be the person who determines who gets forgiveness or not. That's reserved for a higher power given that all of us do things that require forgiveness.

                                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                  Posted by bbb on 20/9/2023, 20:05:23, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                  Correct. We all do things that require forgiveness. Most dont abduct, torture and murder a young child though.
                                  If you're even slightly open to the idea that your God could forgive those 2, religion is even more fukked than I gave it credit for.

                                    Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                    Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 20:10:26, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                    You clearly have a very different idea of God to me!

                                    Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                    Posted by Anon on 20/9/2023, 20:08:47, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                    Adults torture people and do 6 or 7 years ..remember these were 10 year old boys at the end of the day .

                                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                      Posted by bbb on 20/9/2023, 20:11:58, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                      I couldn't give a fukk how old they were.

                                      And who are these adults that tortured and murdered a child and only did 6? I can't say I've read of that happening. Happy to be educated though....

                                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                        Posted by Anon on 20/9/2023, 20:16:59, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                        I didn't say they had killed anyone .
                                        But don't you think.a 10 year old boy is different to a man doing a crime ..

                                          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                          Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 20:16:12, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                          Well you don't watch the news very often. There are fairly frequent incidents of parents torturing their kids or step children. Do you not recall the infamous Baby P as one if the most harrowing cases of recent times?
                                          Then there was the couple on Derbyshire only a few week's ago that disgusted us all.

                                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                      Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 20:05:52, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                      *shakes head.

                                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                      Posted by Buzzard on 20/9/2023, 20:01:58, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                      You believe there to be a higher power.

                                      I don't.

                                      Bollocks to Venables. I have no interest in forgiving him.

                                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                        Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 20:08:08, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                        Yes, and there is the significant difference.
                                        Take care and good to have a discussion.

                                          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                          Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 20:04:35, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                          The higher power. It all breaks down at this point for me.

                                            Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                            Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 20:12:33, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                            Why?

                                            Surely, for me at any rate, it is the thing that gives us hope. I wouldn't want to be a humanist knowing that there are people capable of doing what Thompson and Venables did.

                                              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                              Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 20:30:59, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                              Because Iím an atheist and expressing concern & shock that a character like this might be walking the streets. Because the law should decide on what his risk is - not a faith rooted in make believe.


                                              The kid was in a party of two who tortured and murdered a defenceless child. To bring Ďgodí into the equation is actually embarrassing.

                                                Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                                Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 20:50:27, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                                expressing concern & shock that a character like this might be walking the streets
                                                We absolutely share the same concern.

                                                To bring Ďgodí into the equation is actually embarrassing.
                                                I couldn't disagree with you more. I believe in an incarnational God. A God that is with everyone of us at all times during the good and bad. This needs expanding considerably and I'm very willing to do so but I suspect that it might not be seen as sensitive to do so on here right now.

                                                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                                  Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 21:09:38, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                                  Genuine respect to you for having strong beliefs.

                                                  In this instance, a heinous crime was met with an extensive rehabilitation programme. He reoffended very seriously against the most vulnerable in society.

                                                  Itís a matter of law for me.

                                              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                              Posted by Buzzard on 20/9/2023, 20:05:42, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                              Innit

                                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                        Posted by J Block on 20/9/2023, 19:48:01, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                        hang the fukker

                                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                  Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 18:55:12, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                  Itís how you respond to how others respond - that belongs to you. You donít need to start indirectly, lecturing me. Iíve read loads too and have friends in Bootle, across Merseyside & Birkenhead.

                                  One led the other. So what, they were both present. The boy was tortured. Eyes gouged out. Bricks rained down on his face & body. The one you are talking about has been charged again with horrific crimes.

                                  I think you stand very much in a minority mate.

                                  Please donít.

                                    Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                    Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 19:24:07, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                    I stand as a minority of what exactly? Sm I condoning the crime? No.
                                    Am I saying either was innocent? No.
                                    Am I saying they should be let off the hook? No.
                                    Am I saying we should just brush it under the carpet? No.
                                    Am I saying those crimes weren't utterly appalling? No.
                                    Am I saying that justice shouldn't be served? No. Although the debate there is what exactly constitutes justice.

                                    And as for being in a minority, apart from polling day when did that ever matter (apart from polling day)? A majority isn't always right. In fact they seldom are.

                                    And ok, my last sentence wasn't worded very carefully. But what I mean by that is that it's easy to get caught up in the hysteria and emotion of a situation rather than trying to take a step aside and try and give a more measured response.

                                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                      Posted by Anon on 20/9/2023, 20:03:48, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                      If these boys had committed these appalling acts as adults I would totally understand posters reactions ..but remember these were 10 year old boys ..so I try to accept it was a prank that went terribly wrong ..I've not read facts of the case of how they have ended up as adults ..but I didn't see this much outrage when a child killer was released recently killed by an calculating adult ..cause if I was related to Jamie I might feel different ..

                                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                        Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 20:03:19, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                        I think itís fair to say that the majority of the U.K. are right in hoping this guy stays behind bars.

                                        As for the trotted out line about getting caught up in the hysteria and emotion, I agree somewhat - for example, the public trying to get Venables & Thompson out of the prison van as 10 year olds was deeply disturbing.

                                        To now. Would you be comfortable with Venables moving in next door to you?

                                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                  Posted by Hang on on 20/9/2023, 18:40:54, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                  Are you sympathising with them?

                                  Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                  Posted by J Block on 20/9/2023, 18:34:47, in reply to "Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                  this country has turned to sh*t

                                    Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                    Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 18:38:12, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                    The rehab didnít work, lock him up.

                                      Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                      Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 18:41:47, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                      Rehab often doesn't work primarily because it's grossly under resourced.

                                        Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                        Posted by Bloke on 20/9/2023, 19:48:57, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                        There you go again. Let the tax payers sort it out.

                                          Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                          Posted by E1 on 20/9/2023, 18:44:56, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                          Yep, I have friends who are defence lawyers. Prison doesnít work but I donít want paedoís near me or my kids, thanks.

                                            Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                            Posted by Godders on 20/9/2023, 18:53:56, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                            And I've worked with prison staff and chaplains on rehab stuff. It's a very challenging environment.
                                            Prison doesnít work is too sweeping a statement because it surely depends on what you want prison to achieve. Certainly the re-offending rates are way too high to suggest rehab is working. It seems to work best as a place to keep society safe, but that's not a very productive, constructive, or positive use of a vast amount of home office resources.

                                              Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas

                                              Posted by Bob on 21/9/2023, 8:56:59, in reply to "Re: Jon Venables could be free by Christmas "

                                              About time he was freed. Just a young kid when he acted. Needs a life. No point punishing a kid for their actions in this way

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