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    Trouble At The Top

    Posted by The Slug on 8/6/2023, 21:17:25

    Just rewatched the Trouble At The Top documentary for the first time in probably over a decade. I was only a kid at the time so I don't really remember too much at the time, did anything come out about who the "consortium" was or anyone remember anything about John Gurney trying to get back at the club?

    It's infuriating to think that someone could take over a football club with so much mystery surrounding it, and the fact the the FA/FL were so easily assured by one meeting with Gurney. Something that fans of plenty of clubs since have had to deal with.

    Mad to think that it was only 20 years and to see the rise we've been on, with huge bumps in that road, makes me incredibly proud to be a Hatter, and also feel lucky that we had such a dedicated fan base back then that saw through the bullshit and managed to rid the club of bloodsuckers.

    COYH

      Re: Trouble At The Top

      Posted by HH on 8/6/2023, 22:44:24, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

      Whole thing was mad.

      Late night postings on the official website about F1 tracks, superbowl etc and renaming us London Luton FC.

      MWC had spent so much of his wife's fortune financing Joe Kinnear's reign he couldn't get rid of us fast enough. But a bit of due diligence from him would have been nice.

      And then, Jayten took over. Out of the pan and into the fire...

        Re: Trouble At The Top

        Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 22:31:48, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

        There was no consortium it was all made uo.

        Gurney did have some Chinese triad mates though.

        Gary Sweet and his Army ran him out of town after 55 days.



          Re: Trouble At The Top

          Posted by Jamiesdad on 9/6/2023, 9:10:53, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

          Such a long time ago. I was part of GS’s Army and had great pleasure of handing Cherry Newbury the letter on the Monday Morning putting the club in administrative receivership ( if I’ve got that right lol old age memory lol) and ridding Gurney out of our club. COYH.

            Re: Trouble At The Top

            Posted by Andy pitkin on 8/6/2023, 23:18:26, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

            I was the one who kicked his wing mirror of his shitty jag when he funked off with police escort.

              Re: Trouble At The Top

              Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 23:20:43, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

              Good work don't think that was hom though think it was Lee Power snd Roger Terrell who did at lear promptly resign after that.

            Occam’s scam

            Posted by eaten on 8/6/2023, 22:10:53, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

            The whole thing was a short term get rich quick project. Forget all the noise, the imaginary consortium, the stadium plans, the nonsense, the smoke and mirrors and the phone vote…

            Buy debt for a couple it quid
            Don’t spend any of your own cash
            Piss off a loyal fan base
            And step 4, that failed, sell the debt for ££££ to annoyed fan base

            Worked at Bedford rugby, failed at Luton

            The consortium were never revealed because there never needed to be one to buy the club from the WCs for a couple of quid

              Re: Occam’s scam

              Posted by Hitchin Hatter on 9/6/2023, 11:55:54, in reply to "Occam’s scam"

              Excellent summary eaten. I'm still intrigued to know how many of our fan base actually rang the premium rate number to vote for the new manager. Too many I would estimate.

                Re: Occam’s scam

                Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 22:35:21, in reply to "Occam’s scam"

                He met Eric Hood, Watson-Challis son-in-law in a pub one night and 'Robinn' Hood did a deal to sell him LTFC for 4 quid, which was 3 quid more than Gurney had paid for Bedford Blues 4 years previously.

                Re: Trouble At The Top

                Posted by Fred Arnold on 8/6/2023, 22:07:36, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

                Think we can safely say the consortium was about as real as the one which has just driven London Irish rugby club into the ground.

                  Re: Trouble At The Top

                  Posted by Music Critic on 8/6/2023, 21:53:37, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

                  Obviously biased but, from the mid-50s onwards, I reckon we have had the most interesting, chequered history in the whole of English football - on and off the pitch

                    Re: Trouble At The Top

                    Posted by Rob on 8/6/2023, 23:00:01, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                    I'd say that's doubtless! By the time I was 31 years old I'd seen us play in 5 different divisions, 2 league cup finals, 2 FA cup semi finals. Plus plastic pitch, away fan ban, all of the ownership tribulations. And that's only 1986-2009. My old man's first game was the last game of the 62-63 relegation season. Followed them down and then back up, crowds of 20000+ at KR, V&G Insurance crash, sold Super Mac. Selling Peter Anderson to Antwerp in the mid-70s to save the club. Many of us will have similar stories to tell. Not to mention the upsurge since 2014. For me, that promotion was for my old fella. I guess many of us will feel the same about older relatives or those who are not here to enjoy.

                    Re: Trouble At The Top

                    Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2023, 21:38:27, in reply to "Trouble At The Top"

                    I think that the "consortium" was just Gurney and Esther Chan. He claimed that there were many others but...

                      Re: Trouble At The Top

                      Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 22:50:23, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                      He did appoint a Chairman as well, Tony Cooper, big in the London Rag Trade.

                      Plus don't forget Andrew Zombler and his Water Feature.

                        Re: Trouble At The Top

                        Posted by N on 8/6/2023, 22:57:33, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                        Ah yes I remember Tony Cooper - but did he actually exist ?

                        And what about the bizarre involvement of that Miller bloke (Peter ?) who supposedly wrote and signed Kinnear and Harfords dismissal letters which Gurney claimed he had done without any apparent authority and while employed by Northampton.

                        What on earth was that all about ?

                          Re: Trouble At The Top

                          Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2023, 23:47:33, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                          Gurney, Chan and Zimbler were appointed as directors at Companies House twenty years ago tomorrow. Cooper was appointed three days later.

                            Re: Trouble At The Top

                            Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 23:06:12, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                            There was a definite Northampron connection. With whole thing as rumoured Terry Fenwick was going to be appointed Manager.

                            Lee Powerended up at Swindon in a court battle with Jed McCrory, who sent me a threatening message on Facebook the other week about hoping he would bump into me at Wembley v Coventry.

                              Re: Trouble At The Top

                              Posted by Teacher on 8/6/2023, 23:52:24, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                              Jed McCrory is an utter bastard. Attempted to get MiGS etc against 2020 to support him.
                              Most refused, thankfully.

                              An utter rotter.

                                Re: Trouble At The Top

                                Posted by greenfield hatter on 9/6/2023, 16:49:17, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                Obsessed

                                  Re: Trouble At The Top

                                  Posted by EastEnder on 9/6/2023, 0:07:28, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                  1 or 3 supported Jed I seem to recall.

                                  "Directors are easy to get rid of."

                                  Jed at Stratford Town. Gary in the Premier League.

                                    Re: Trouble At The Top

                                    Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 23:57:55, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                    Was nice spending the whole of day our at Wembley watching my back to make sure not attacked or confronted by a fellow 'Luton fan.'

                                    Still Chairman of Stratford Town FC.

                                    Stay classy, Jed.

                                      Re: Trouble At The Top

                                      Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 9/6/2023, 6:45:49, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                      You don't need that sort of nonsense. Nobody does.

                                      FA has social media guidance. why not report him?

                              Re: Trouble At The Top

                              Posted by N on 8/6/2023, 22:46:16, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                              Wasnt there some talk of a mysterious ( no doubt fictitious) Dr.X

                                Re: Trouble At The Top

                                Posted by EastEnder on 8/6/2023, 22:54:32, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                It was a scam as explained above.

                                Buy club for 4 quid.

                                Threaten to close it down if fans don't have youva million pounds to sell. Same as he had got away with at Bedford Rugby Club.

                                But Sweet and Trudt in Luton outwitted him and by withholding our Season Ticket money the wider fanvase starved him of funds to keep the scam going.

                                Re: Trouble At The Top

                                Posted by Ltfc39 on 8/6/2023, 22:05:52, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                Esther Chan just being an actress?

                                  Re: Trouble At The Top

                                  Posted by The Outsider on 8/6/2023, 23:33:12, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                  https://www.casemine.com/judgement/uk/5a8ff75560d03e7f57eab62a

                                  Pui-Kwan is Esther Chan. Madam Ho is her mother.

                                  A very lengthy and complicated case but, in particular, see paragraphs 20 and 66

                                  Melodious Corporation were involved in the LTFC takeover.

                                    Re: Trouble At The Top

                                    Posted by Teacher on 8/6/2023, 23:46:21, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                    Ah, Melodious. Formerly known as Malodorus by Andy C.

                                    TiL buying the debenture was what got rid of Gurney and paved the way for 2020.

                                      Re: Trouble At The Top

                                      Posted by L on 9/6/2023, 0:07:24, in reply to "Re: Trouble At The Top"

                                      If it actually wasn’t for gurney we probably wouldnt be where we are today. we’d have presumably stumbled along as we had for years with reasonable intentioned but savvy-less owners unable to push the club to where it needed to be. Gurney unwittingly created 2020, and set us along the right path.

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