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    Power Court

    Posted by Old Guard on 7/6/2023, 8:25:04

    Will it be big enough ?

      Re: Power Court

      Posted by Vladimir Luton on 7/6/2023, 9:13:21, in reply to "Power Court"

      It can be enlarged if needs be sir

        Re: Power Court

        Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 8:58:15, in reply to "Power Court"

        What do you think it should be?

          Re: Power Court

          Posted by Old Guard on 7/6/2023, 9:18:02, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

          If our aim is to play at the top level, it won't be big enough at 22,500/23,500. If we become a yo yo club it may well be adequate.

            Re: Power Court

            Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 9:55:51, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

            Top flight clubs make most of their money from broadcasting not ticket sales so capacity isn't that important really

            Despite this, Prem clubs still fleece their fans for every penny on season tickets, etc

              Re: Power Court

              Posted by Andy Cappucino on 7/6/2023, 9:22:43, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

              Even if we manage to hang around in the PL for a few years it won't be forever. Burnley managed to stick around for a while with a small ground. In any case ground size is not everything, haven't we just proved that?

                Re: Power Court

                Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 9:19:50, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                Lucky it can be increased by about 10k and theyíve covered both bases then eh

                People quick to forget there were 30,000 people at Wembley who couldnít give a flying during the conference years

                  Re: Power Court

                  Posted by Ches Fordroad on 7/6/2023, 10:18:37, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                  Yes, let's just build it for the 5,000 Conference years season ticket holders

                    Re: Power Court

                    Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 9:52:17, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                    Well, there were over 30,000 people at the play-off final in 2012 so plenty must have gave a fukk in the conference years. And, looking at a lot of the crowd, a fair % of the 37,000 were probably a bit too young to worry about or properly understand the conference years, which is encouraging

                    Dunno why people feel the need to jump on our support when we have a reasonably-sized fanbase that will only grow with the new ground.

                    5,000 were going to watch Brighton at one point. Hull - less than that when they were really struggling in Div 4.

                    Cov would have also had some glory hunters in their section too. I know they've had ownership issues but they were often getting 11 or 12,000 at home games (at the Ricoh or whatever it's called) until they got to the C'ship

                    Even with the glory hunters, if they have kids, it's those kids that will become the future, growing hardcore support

                    I've used this analogy before but some of our fans are like those people who have followed bands from when they started and then, weirdly, get resentful when those bands become popular and successful.

                      Re: Power Court

                      Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 10:01:40, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                      The key there being the play off final. They werent there in the league games which is what we are talking about here for Power court. They will all scurry off again back to their armchairs if we go down a level or two.

                      5000 were watching brighton because thats all the ground held. we had a couple of thousand empty seats.

                      Yeah great analogy.

                        Re: Power Court

                        Posted by crumpsall on 7/6/2023, 10:36:19, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                        Do you mean the Withdean? Initial capacity was 6k, rapidly increased to well over 8k.

                          Re: Power Court

                          Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 11:13:22, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                          Christ.

                          Do you even have a job Corbyn?

                            Re: Power Court

                            Posted by crumpsall on 7/6/2023, 11:29:42, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                            I beg your pardon?

                            Why Corbyn and why the nastiness?

                            I merely cited the actual figures for Brighton. You got it wrong. If you're offended by someone pointing out that you're incorrect, you may well be offended quite a lot.

                            As for 'having a job' wtf has that got to do with anything? As it happens I'm sitting here waiting for feedback on something I've just sent to a client. I'm lucky enough to love what I do for a living.

                            You?

                          Re: Power Court

                          Posted by Uuuummmmmmm on 7/6/2023, 10:32:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                          That's a stupid analogy. We had 35,000 at Wembley because Wembley has room for 90,000 spectators.

                          We don't get 35,000 at KR because the capacity is only 10,200 and that is why PC is needed. And that is without mentioning the difference in quality of the facilities, toilets, bars, food etc.

                          Make the ground a pleasant venue to visit and the crowds will increase.

                            Re: Power Court

                            Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 10:08:55, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                            What, so you think it was the exact same crowd of people going to every home game in the conference?



                            Our crowds held up pretty well apart from the Buckle

                            As for crowds scurrying off - do you seriously think that only happens at Luton?

                            9,000 Luton is all we can get because that's al can fit in the ground. So, similar situation to Brighton. Constrained by our current surroundings but with better infrastructure...

                            Do you think, then, that it's unacceptable for a club to grow its fanbase, using success as that lever?

                            You're coming across as one of those "I'm a better fan than everyone else cos I went to Hyde at home" elitists. I'm sure you're not though and it just sounds like you are

                            Thanks, yes, I thought it was a great analogy too. Pleased that one

                              Re: Power Court

                              Posted by Notorious D on 7/6/2023, 11:29:54, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                              To be fair, Iíll give him credit and assume heís trolling. Either that, or heís very dim..

                              Iím in agreement with you; Gary Sweet said fairly recently that weíve had over 20,000 different people attend home matches this season, therefore suggesting the fanbase is there.

                                Re: Power Court

                                Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 10:10:00, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                *apart from the Buckle era

                                Re: Power Court

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 7/6/2023, 10:08:36, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                Apples and oranges.
                                Kenilworth Road doesn't hold 30,000.
                                Stop being such a wet-blanket and enjoy the moment.

                                  Re: Power Court

                                  Posted by HH on 7/6/2023, 10:08:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                  5000 were watching brighton because thats all the ground held. we had a couple of thousand empty seats

                                  The Withdean held 8800. They had an average of less than 6k fans in 2008 in League one!

                                    Re: Power Court

                                    Posted by HH on 7/6/2023, 10:05:49, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                    Hull's old ground was far larger though, wasn't it?

                                    Why are you so angry at potential fans? You can't keep supporting Luton a niche market if we're to grow.

                                      Re: Power Court

                                      Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 10:10:25, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                      Im not. More the merrier.

                                      Just dont understand everyone getting carried away with our fanbase being massive cos they all turned up for one game

                                        Re: Power Court

                                        Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 10:13:38, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                        I could equally say you're saying the fanbase is tinpot. I mean you've not used that word but no one has used the word 'massive' either cos no one is saying that it is

                                          Re: Power Court

                                          Posted by HH on 7/6/2023, 10:13:29, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                          Fair enough.

                                          I think the projected sizes for Power Court are probably about right.

                                            Re: Power Court

                                            Posted by Ches Fordroad on 7/6/2023, 10:29:38, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                            Last thing we'd want is a frenzydome with 25k empty seats, rather be a touch cautious at this stage and have room for expansion

                                              Re: Power Court

                                              Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 10:16:11, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                              In a good season in the C'ship at PC we'll get about 19-20K

                                              In an average season, we'll get about 15K. So, as you say, it'll be about right

                                              In the Prem we'll get over 20K but I know that isn't going to be the capacity initially

                                              But fanbases can and do grow so we'll see where we are in 5-10 years from now

                                                AND

                                                Posted by Caught Jester on 7/6/2023, 13:17:42, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                don't forget there's a lot more people living in the Luton-South/Mid Beds catchment area now, than say even 15yrs ago. I'd say, given this promotion - that the potential is huge.

                                                  Re: AND

                                                  Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 16:03:34, in reply to "AND"

                                                  Yep, agreed

                                                  Re: Power Court

                                                  Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 10:29:53, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                  I actually agree with you on that.

                                                  Given our history and catchment area though i think our fanbase fluctuates more than most

                                                    Re: Power Court

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 7/6/2023, 10:24:28, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                    Tsssk.
                                                    How dare you be so pragmatic and sensible?
                                                    Ban him, Admin!

                                            Re: Power Court

                                            Posted by m on 7/6/2023, 9:57:31, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                            Yes. Fantastic analogy that. Who cares how people support the club. Even if they just buy a scarf or a shirt, it shouldn't matter
                                            Id say more critical than how many seats is how often it can be used for other things other than Luton Town FC , and the revenue it can bring in via food/drink etc.

                                              Re: Power Court

                                              Posted by Godders on 7/6/2023, 11:27:33, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                              I don't think selling a few extra mars bars or bottles of Coke is going to help finance Eden Hazard's £500,000 a week wages by very much.

                                                Re: Power Court

                                                Posted by Music Critic on 7/6/2023, 10:02:55, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                +1

                                                All football clubs have all types of supporters. Including glory hunters

                                                Look at Leicester next season - I would not be surprised if they lose a few thousand off their gates - unless it's towards the end of the season and they're looking good to go back up

                                                Southampton's ground could look pretty empty at times next season too, especially if they're playing a non-Leeds northern side in midweek

                                                Agree with your additional revenue point too

                                              Re: Power Court

                                              Posted by Old Guard on 7/6/2023, 9:26:47, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                              Who says it can be increased by 10,000 ? Isn't there a height limit due to surrounding houses ?

                                                Re: Power Court

                                                Posted by F.I. on 7/6/2023, 9:31:30, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                it has been stated it will built so as to enable it to be increased to about 30k if needs be. it will be kept to 17.5 until traffic has been proven not to be a problem.

                                                  Re: Power Court

                                                  Posted by RADSB on 7/6/2023, 9:36:23, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                  17.5k? It's 19.5k and the traffic survey covered 23k so all's well. You must have missed this http://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2023/may/imagine-the-power/

                                                    Re: Power Court

                                                    Posted by Bob Morton on 7/6/2023, 9:42:34, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                    I believe under the previous plans for the 17.5k ground that it could increase to 27,500 but not sure if thatís changed or not

                                                  Re: Power Court

                                                  Posted by Nev the bear on 7/6/2023, 9:29:13, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                  What houses

                                                    Re: Power Court

                                                    Posted by since 63 on 7/6/2023, 9:29:12, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                    where are these "surrounding houses" you talk about?

                                                      Re: Power Court

                                                      Posted by Old Guard on 7/6/2023, 9:57:01, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                      OK, substitute that for the apartments that are part of the overall development.

                                                        Re: Power Court

                                                        Posted by crumpsall on 7/6/2023, 10:02:18, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                        You don't actually seem to know what you're talking about.

                                                        Whose 'old guard' are you exactly?

                                                          Re: Power Court

                                                          Posted by Old Guard on 7/6/2023, 10:17:01, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                          Corbyn has arrived !

                                                            Re: Power Court

                                                            Posted by crumpsall on 7/6/2023, 10:25:11, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                            Corbyn is long gone mate.

                                                            Anyhow, what's the answer to my question?

                                                        Re: Power Court

                                                        Posted by Nev the bear on 7/6/2023, 9:29:40, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                        You beat me to it

                                                Re: Power Court

                                                Posted by bbb on 7/6/2023, 8:54:10, in reply to "Power Court"

                                                Once we've had a few 5 nil beatings next season the glory hunters will piss off back to the comfort of their sofas and firesticks to support Arsenal and Tottenham so yes, it will be fine.

                                                  Re: Power Court

                                                  Posted by bedfordshires biggest bellend on 7/6/2023, 9:49:00, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                  Need a hug mate?

                                                    Re: Power Court

                                                    Posted by thomas cook on 7/6/2023, 9:43:58, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                    how true

                                                      Re: Power Court

                                                      Posted by Bruno on 7/6/2023, 9:12:34, in reply to "Re: Power Court"

                                                      Donít you just know that.

                                                      Re: Power Court

                                                      Posted by Sensible hatter on 7/6/2023, 8:49:47, in reply to "Power Court"

                                                      Yes plenty big enough

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