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    Six promotions and six relegations

    Posted by Camavinga on 6/6/2023, 9:25:54

    As a Luton fan since 1991. I’ve experience six relegation, six promotions. What a rollercoaster it is supporting this club. Add few admins, Johnstone paint win when going out the league and unable to defend the cup due to conference football!

    Win at Norwich a then (and still?) record.
    First club to pay living wage.
    Turning down betting company sponsor
    Run by fans who love the club.
    Probably forgot many other things!

    Promotion to the Premier League always a distance dream, I actually never cared in recent years about it, very content with championship football. Not complaining now of course!

    How many promotions and relegations have you experienced?

    My memory is getting bad, what happened in 2007-08 where we came last in L1, were we so bad or was in admin and unable to sign players? Is that the season Blackwell and his mates on last pay day we’re playing for us?



      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

      Posted by Buzzard on 6/6/2023, 11:23:46, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

      7 promotions (3 as champions)
      6 relegations
      3 FA Cup semi finals
      2 League Cup Finals (1 win)
      1 Simod Cup Final
      1JPT Final (1 win)
      3 Play Off Finals (1 win... )

      Certainly been a rollercoaster ride.

        Re: Six promotions and six relegations

        Posted by Three Wheels On My Wagon on 6/6/2023, 12:00:50, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

        Plus the great escapes at maine Road in 83, Derby 90 , Blackburn 20

        ...and one or two others that went to the wire

      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

      Posted by Realistic on 6/6/2023, 10:42:20, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

      Same for me, 6/6 and started in 1988.

      One point that is now statistically true of us is that based on promotion and relegation, the average living Luton fan has seen more success than failure while following the club which still sounds kind of crazy given our tumultuous recent times!

        Re: Six promotions and six relegations

        Posted by Andy Cappucino on 6/6/2023, 10:20:08, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

        To your 12, I'll raise you 1982, 1975, 1974, and 1970. Aren't we still the only non league club to win away at a top flight club?

          Re: Six promotions and six relegations

          Posted by Stat Hat on 6/6/2023, 11:52:13, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

          Lincoln won at Burnley in similar circumstances in 2017.

            Re: Six promotions and six relegations

            Posted by Suffolk Punch on 6/6/2023, 11:31:14, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "






            Div3South-Div2 1935-6
            Div2-Div1 1954-5
            Div1-2 1960-61
            Div2-3
            Div3-4
            Div4-3 1967-8
            Div3-2
            Div2-1 1974-5
            Div1-2
            Div2-1 1982-3
            Div1-2 1991-2
            ?? mind's a blank
            Div3-2 2005-6
            Div2-3
            Div3-4
            Div4-Conference
            Conference-L2
            L2-L1
            L1-Championship
            Championship-Prem 2012-13


            That's at least 18




            I'm 93, you know.

              Re: Six promotions and six relegations

              Posted by Andy Cappucino on 6/6/2023, 11:36:35, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

              1935 to 1955 sounds a bit boring 😂

                Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                Posted by Three Wheels On My Wagon on 6/6/2023, 11:56:09, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                It's true - between 1939 and 1945 not a lot happened !

                As for the "?? minds a blank" period, a large part was overseen by a certain Lennie Lawrence... there something very apt there.





                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                  Posted by Suffolk Punch on 6/6/2023, 15:33:53, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                  Well spotted 3 Wheels.

                  Trust your wagon isn't a Sinclair C5.

              Re: Six promotions and six relegations

              Posted by Realistic on 6/6/2023, 10:43:59, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

              We were the first, but since then Lincoln City also won away at Burnley when they were non-league.

                Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                Posted by The Outsider on 6/6/2023, 10:47:28, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                A useless piece of trivia. Andre Gray played in both games.

                Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                Posted by Three Wheels On My Wagon on 6/6/2023, 10:36:41, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                Discussing the 1960/70's in the pub after the parade. I'm fairly sure Luton were the first club to fall from the top flight to the bottom tier of the league, (then the Fourth Division) and make it back again (1960 - 65 - 74).

                A few clubs have done it since, Burnley and Wolves, spring to mind.

                Don't know of any clubs doing that round trip twice, even if it didnt include a detour into nonleague.

                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                  Posted by Essex hatter on 6/6/2023, 14:48:47, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                  Roll on the new football season come on Luton

                    Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                    Posted by White van man on 6/6/2023, 10:50:07, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                    Yes, but haven’t we achieved that three times? Maybe mr Outsider can confirm, any other team’s achieved this?

                      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                      Posted by Three Wheels On My Wagon on 6/6/2023, 11:47:25, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                      We went down to the bottom tier of the league in 2001 and got back to the championship in 2005 before falling back again under jayten.

                      We were never in the first division until the 1950's so dropping to the bottom and getting back has only happened twice

                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                  Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 10:00:04, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

                  I think 2007/08 is probably up there with the worst seasons in supporting this club.

                  Even without the 10 point deduction we would have gone down.

                  Things looked very, very bleak that year.

                    Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                    Posted by Nick NLPBH on 6/6/2023, 9:45:52, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

                    Another non league club ahs beaten a premier league club since.

                    re: Premier league - yep never had any interest in being part of the overhyped overpaid money pit that is the premier league. Until it became a possibility!

                    2007-08 - Blackwell hadn't "come in to hang around in l1" , and was going to make signing that would blow our minds..

                    Except he forgot to sign centrebacks so we started with 2 +keane

                    He then did a staged meltdown after a game and claimed we had played "####ing well"

                    And claimed we never had any luck

                    We then went into admin, got deducted 10 point, sold our only decent centreback, leaving us with mr "never been relegated perry. harford got rid quick. So a Cb pairing of keane and hutchison. And not much up top

                      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                      Posted by Camavinga on 6/6/2023, 9:59:51, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                      Hard to remember far back especially when living overseas since 2001.

                      No wonder went down with this squad! Marc Wilson and Grant loanees I never realised they played 😄

                      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Luton_Town_F.C._season

                        Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                        Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 10:07:25, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                        Also, it's telling how shit that season was because no poor soul can face the depressing task of updating the Wikipedia page to include the results.

                          Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                          Posted by MG on 6/6/2023, 10:19:44, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                          It was genuinely awful, he turned us into this OAP team and thank heavens the administrators saw through him!

                          That night at Anfield though, never felt so happy during a 5-0 defeat in all my life. And back then we didn't know just how good 2020 would be but we were out from "their" shadow and surely there were brighter things ahead . . .

                            Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                            Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 10:38:29, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                            Yep.

                            And the very next day after that game 2020 sacked Blackwell!

                              Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                              Posted by MG on 6/6/2023, 11:17:24, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                              Yes, not a bad way to start!

                              And to be fair they've done reasonably well since .

                                Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                Posted by The Outsider on 6/6/2023, 10:52:53, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                ...but he had already handed in his notice !

                                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                  Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 11:00:21, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                  He was such an attention seeking c@%t.

                                  Only hanging around for the Liverpool FA Cup tie and the opportunity for his fat head to be on TV.

                                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                  Posted by Nick NLPBH on 6/6/2023, 10:51:06, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                  They had sacked him before then I think - think they sacked him after teh first game when he said "i quit - was not promised this, but ask me nicely and i may stay on till the end of the season" . administrator said "no #### off" (although i think peopel mention Brendan Gullifoyle had spotted blackwell was manipulating transfers to get players to sheffield united where he knew he was going)

                                    Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                    Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 11:00:48, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                    I think Outsider has the emails where he tries to sell Brill to Sheffield United on the cheap?

                                      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                      Posted by The Outsider on 6/6/2023, 11:02:10, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                      Not emails. It was a post on here.

                                        Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                        Posted by The Outsider on 6/6/2023, 11:03:55, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "


                                        Some facts about Kevin
                                        Posted by Knowall Sackwell on 4/5/2008, 1:15 pm
                                        66.197.241.55

                                        Shall we get a few things out in the open about our former manager? And not the normal "he resigned" stuff. Right!

                                        1 Luton asked Liverpool to offer their gate receipts and they said they would think about it. They then confirmed with Guilfoyle that they would be willing to do a deal but when Blackwell tried to "get involved" they blanked him. Blackwell then went out into the press and slated Liverpool for not supporting a club in administration. Liverpool then pulled the offer and Luton lost a significant amount of money - money that 20-20 had to then put up.

                                        2 Blackwell tried to sell two players on the cheap to Sheff U two weeks before he resigned. Co-incedence? Could be, but...

                                        3 Luton received an offer for one of these players at a much higher price just before we sold Coyne. Blackwell turned it down, so we had to sell Coyne. (The said player would have been less of a loss than Coyne and we could have got a loan to replace him). KB then tried to sell the same player to Sheff U at a cut price blaming Guilfoyles "fire-sale" approach. Guilfoyle blocked it and sussedKB.

                                        4 Along with his buddy Ellis, they have been stirring up trouble about old Luton Town within the business. It seems many frinedly agents of Blackie are fully aware of every contract at our club. Over recent weeks Mick's ability to trade has been compromised by the fact that all and sundry know every detail of every player contract. Many players have been tapped up some quoting our friend in Sheffield.

                                        That's just a few of the things that are fact. Others will also come out in due course.

                                        One more fact about our Kevin
                                        Posted by Knowall Sackwell on 4/5/2008, 2:38 pm
                                        66.197.241.55

                                        He had a "consideable" incentive to support the relocation to you know where.


                                        Blackwell - the details.
                                        Posted by Teacher on 7/5/2008, 9:54 pm
                                        195.93.21.3

                                        Blackwell turned down a £600k offer for Brill. Guilfoyle then sold Coyne out of necessity and because he thought KB preferred that option. Then KB tried to sell Brill to Sheff U for £250k. Three other players were "enquired about" by Sheff U at the same time.

                              Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                              Posted by HH on 6/6/2023, 10:02:48, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                              From memory, Grant looked fairly decent and Wilson looked distinctly average. Funny how it was the other way around for their careers with Grant playing in the lower leagues and Wilson playing in the top flight and international football

                            Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                            Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 6/6/2023, 9:35:04, in reply to "Six promotions and six relegations "

                            Think that was the season when badgewell signed a collection of geriatrics and everything fell apart in december/january as the FA charges hit, pinkney dumped us into admin and ran a mile and we finished the season with no players and Mick starting to pick up the pieces.

                              Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                              Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2023, 9:40:04, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                              Our record after the draw with Liverpool:

                              W2 D4 L18


                              Utter chaos, and of course Pinkney's description of the FA probe as a 'storm in a teacup'

                              Jayten and Blackwell: 2020 stepped into a spiral of decline and debt, shite players signed by Blackwell and so on

                                Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                Posted by m on 6/6/2023, 10:00:37, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                Only 2 that come out with any credit were Dave Edwards and Paul Furlong

                                  Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                  Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2023, 10:10:53, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                  And Don Hutchinson for paying some of the youth team's wages.

                                    Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 6/6/2023, 11:25:58, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                    Agreed

                                      Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                      Posted by North Herts Hatter on 6/6/2023, 10:14:53, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                      I seem to remember Drew Talbot at least putting some effort in. Although in typical Luton fashion, we signed him as a striker, he forgot how to score and he spent the rest of his career as a wing back in the lower leagues...

                                      I've still never seen a player as supremely skilled at Richard Langley at playing incredible cross field passes that achieved absolutely nothing.

                                        Re: Six promotions and six relegations

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 6/6/2023, 10:46:38, in reply to "Re: Six promotions and six relegations "

                                        Drew Talbot was absolutely outstanding in the draw with Liverpool. He always gave everything, totally committed - not a Blackwell attribute!

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