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World Cup 2026
Posted by Doctor Ince on 29/3/2023, 9:34:33
Why are we ok with America co-hosting the World Cup? Is it actually a safe country? There have been 95 mass shootings in 2023 so far and we're only 86 days into the year.
Just wondering why there was all the moral outrage over Qatar but the USA seems less safe. Is it because America wasn't built on slave labour like Qatar?
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Newton on 29/3/2023, 14:09:10, in reply to "World Cup 2026"
America not being built on slave labour is a Hot. Take.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Doctor Ince on 29/3/2023, 14:13:27, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
I was saying the opposite
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Nick NLPBH on 29/3/2023, 11:00:02, in reply to "World Cup 2026"
Thought it was up to about 113 mass already
(although the pro gun lot who seem somewhat rabid will tell you that you cant blame the gun, and that they are underpowered sporting rifles not assault rifles) .
Its an issue that wont go away as many Americans will prefer to see their kids shot then consider gun control (way too late for that anyway). they also bizarrely think guns stop crime - and then deflect and say "well what about UK knife crime" (US murder rate per capita is 4 x higher than here)
World cup is actually across America, Mexico and Canada. Canada by far the safest of the 3. On a safety aspect - not sure Brazil in 2014, or South America in 2010 or Russia in 2018 could have been considered overly safe
Less moral outrage as 1)The 3 countries do have the infrastructure -and in the case of Mexico especially a footballing tradition
2)It wasn't quite as blatantly bought as qatar
3)It doesn't have to be moved to winter
4)there has been no suggestion of migrant workers being imported and discarded (well anymore than there are there already - but the stadia wont need to be built and then dismantled
5)Their human rights record isnt quite as questionable (notwithstanding they like the right to be shot)
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by The Outsider on 29/3/2023, 14:35:23, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Seems a bit unfair that South America hosted it in 2010 and then Brazil in 2014
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Nick NLPBH on 29/3/2023, 17:27:59, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Ha
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by bbb on 29/3/2023, 9:54:40, in reply to "World Cup 2026"
Regards the Nashville shooting a lot of the media seem more keen to talk about the evil, fuçked up murderers preferred pronouns than the vile crime committed. Hence why the main problem over there will never be resolved.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Doctor Ince on 29/3/2023, 9:58:59, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Yep - such a backwards country in so many ways
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 29/3/2023, 9:51:40, in reply to "World Cup 2026"
The shootings in the US are not usually aimed at tourists. They have the stadia and infrastructure in place. I hope you're being ironic with your comment about slave labour.
Ditto "Morning"'s post below.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Andy Cappucino on 29/3/2023, 10:53:02, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
It's irrelevant who shots are aimed at, a stray bullet can hit anyone
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Vladimir Luton on 29/3/2023, 10:25:42, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
The Las Vegas shooting was very much aimed at tourists. 1,000 rounds fired into a music crowd. That was 6 years ago.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 29/3/2023, 10:33:14, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
But were they tourists from other states within the US?
It's good that you're not bothered about me Tiny Tears.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Vladimir Luton on 29/3/2023, 10:56:57, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Google says it was a country music festival so I reckon the attendees would have been mainly from within the US but not Vegas itself.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 29/3/2023, 11:28:25, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Ok.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Doctor Ince on 29/3/2023, 10:05:53, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
Not usually? Oh that's a relief then.
There haven't been 90+ mass shootings in Qatar so it's objectively a safer country (unless you're in the LGB letters, but then some parts of America aren't that tolerant).
So Qatar is safer, both countries have successfully utilised slave labour and only parts of the US are less intolerant.
I'll get my protest banner ready
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by MG on 29/3/2023, 9:51:32, in reply to "World Cup 2026"
I think the reason for people expressing concerns over Qatar are very well-documented and quiet obvious. And it wasn't about safety of the participants or spectators.
I can't follow the logic that the mass shootings in the US are similar or directly relevant to the World Cup like the issues in Qatar were.
Playing devil's advocate - is football a bit hypocritical in that plenty of football teams (even England) seem willing to go to the UAE and Dubai for training camps even with their pretty appalling record for LGBTQ rights?
Fair enough, but you seem to be mixing up safety concerns and the reasons for the moral objections to Qatar as hosts.
I think the answer is along the lines of well we have to draw the line somewhere. And what happened in Qatar would not have happened in the US, for all their other faults.
Personally I'd actually be more concerned with what's happening here because the line is being pushed downwards at a disturbingly fast rate.
Re: World Cup 2026
Posted by Doctor Ince on 29/3/2023, 11:04:45, in reply to "Re: World Cup 2026"
The line is going downwards everywhere - although I agree it's particularly shite here.
I do also agree with the rest, but of course America's human rights violations were historic.
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