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    Ref theory

    Posted by Greybeard on 19/3/2023, 13:42:44

    Here's one. Is it possible that due to the rather niggly way that we play and constantly get in the ref's ear that during a game refs actually get a bit pi@@ed off with us and are happy to award 50:50 or even 30:70 decisions (like the pen yesterday) against us. Just a thought but we do do a LOT of moaning on the pitch. Chucking the ball away too at their throw in won't have gone unnoticed either.

      Ref theory MkII

      Posted by Madpig on 19/3/2023, 16:14:08, in reply to "Ref theory"

      The twat yesterday should've been reffing in park, not at a proper game

        Re: Ref theory

        Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 19/3/2023, 15:47:48, in reply to "Ref theory"

        I have thought that, refs are humans and wonít take well to being continuously gibbed off at

          Re: Ref theory

          Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2023, 15:11:45, in reply to "Ref theory"

          30:70? That was about 1:99.

            Re: Ref theory

            Posted by Philthehatter on 19/3/2023, 14:43:52, in reply to "Ref theory"

            I don't envy the refs job, it's difficult and I'd rather have the odd dodgy decisions than VAR, but I draw the line when 2 officials stand there looking at each other without a clue what decision to make then just guess.
            Any doubt and its no penalty.

              Re: Ref theory

              Posted by J2O on 19/3/2023, 15:16:58, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

              But there wasn't any doubt in the assistant's opinion. He ran straight to the corner flag and stayed there. That is the indication to the referee for a penalty.

              Re: Ref theory

              Posted by two words on 19/3/2023, 14:18:44, in reply to "Ref theory"


              Bruno Fernandes

                Re: Ref theory

                Posted by Hatsworth on 19/3/2023, 14:03:57, in reply to "Ref theory"

                Nope.

                I think itís a combination of two things.
                1. Bad luck that weíve had way more than our fair share of iffy decisions (itís a completely myth that they ďeven out over the course of the seasonĒ)
                2. I honestly think that the pressure on refs from players and fans of teams like Sheffield and Sunderland and so on is massive. There is an absurd proportion of the champship clubs and their fans that honesty believe they should be (/have a god given right) to be in the premiership, and many / most clubs are spending well beyond their means. It makes for a pressure cooker, and refs (being humans!) will pick that up and it sways decisions.

                Humans, not conspiracies.

                  Re: Ref theory

                  Posted by Herve Baquet on 19/3/2023, 15:36:07, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                  And keep in mind it was the reds first championship game yesterday. I think the game and rules have changed so much that refs just donít know what to do a lot of the time.

                  Itís not just us who get shit refs.

                    Re: Ref theory

                    Posted by The Outsider on 19/3/2023, 18:07:41, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                    That has always been a dive, however much the laws have changed.

                    Re: Ref theory

                    Posted by sloopy on 19/3/2023, 14:49:03, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                    You did say Humans. Sometimes, or often, I really have to question that.

                      Re: Ref theory

                      Posted by Greybeard on 19/3/2023, 14:09:46, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                      Agree bit both your points but my concern was different/in addition to those. Not a conspiracy but a very human response to us not keeping the ref 'onside' during the game. Rather irritating him. You'd like to think as since 63 says their job is to make decisions in the moment and to make them without thinking about the context of what has gone before but that's not a very human response. You often here ex- pro commentators saying the ref was "looking to even things up after a previous decision or incident".

                      Re: Ref theory

                      Posted by Mr Fishfinger on 19/3/2023, 14:00:13, in reply to "Ref theory"

                      Yesterday's clowns bottled it due to 37000 Mackems. The game was too big for them.

                        Re: Ref theory

                        Posted by since 63 on 19/3/2023, 13:46:26, in reply to "Ref theory"

                        the refs job is to referee the game and only make a decision on the immediate action, it is not his job to make a decision to counteract something that has gone on before.

                          Re: Ref theory

                          Posted by RADSB on 19/3/2023, 13:44:38, in reply to "Ref theory"

                          There's not a team in the country that doesn't do the same as us. Watch the games this afternoon and you'll see more of it.

                            Re: Ref theory

                            Posted by Lavendon hat on 19/3/2023, 13:53:04, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                            Totally agree - most teams we play at home waste time from the off, throw the ball away, donít let quick free kicks be taken, keepers taking an age to take goal kicks etc etc we can be a bit niggly but no more than other teams

                              Re: Ref theory

                              Posted by Greybeard on 19/3/2023, 13:56:52, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                              Fair enough. I wasn't sure it was just a feeling. It eases my paranoia that it's likely not the case.

                                Re: Ref theory

                                Posted by Lavendon hat on 19/3/2023, 14:22:30, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                                The games Iíve been to recently I see Ade and Morris get manhandled / fouled constantly with little given because they stay on their feet. When they do similar to a defender they go down and get a free kick. I do think Locks pushes it a bit though sometimes but if he stays on the pitch that is fine

                              Re: Ref theory

                              Posted by Greybeard on 19/3/2023, 13:51:52, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                              You have to admit we've got a nasty side to us now that we lacked for years. Don't get me wrong it's needed and you're right other teams have that too. I just wonder in some games if we don't do it a bit too much and it affects the ref. Just looking at Ade alone, he rarely gets decisions his way when it's 50:50 and we seem to have a go at the ref constantly.

                                Re: Ref theory

                                Posted by Alien Nate on 19/3/2023, 14:01:30, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                                There is too much of it from most teams. We pay for 90 minutes of football, not 20 minutes of debating who is taking a throw, or a corner. Not for surrounding a ref when they clearly won't change their minds anyway. Not for players to get cramp, or roll over four/five times when clipped.

                                On the penalty errors, they have got VAR at Sheff v Blackburn and still gave a penalty for a handball the guy could not avoid.

                                  Re: Ref theory

                                  Posted by RADSB on 19/3/2023, 13:56:39, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                                  I don't think we stand out in that respect. We were very quiet a while back and most on here and elsewhere were saying we need to get a bit nasty, street-wise, question the ref etc. A few teams have come to KR and been "passive" and given me the impression of a bunch of journeymen wage grabbers - we wouldn't stand for that.

                                    Re: Ref theory

                                    Posted by Greybeard on 19/3/2023, 13:59:04, in reply to "Re: Ref theory"

                                    No, good point RADSB. I'd prefer we had that edge . I think my hatred of all things FA and FL are spoiling my Sunday.

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