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Atmosphere at the Kenny
Posted by Kenny56 on 3/2/2023, 10:50:09
Atmosphere at the Kenny - We need to improve it.
Been awful this year, like a morgue.
I feel it may be due to expectations being higher. When we were promoted, expectations were survival, every win was massive.
After a few seasons, expectations are high, we're having a great season. 4th in the Championship with a game in hand. Let that sink in.
For a club with our budgets, it's outstanding. Again, we could be facing a playoff push against some very good sides.
We need to get behind the team tomorrow, improve the atmosphere, be loud and intimidating.
The more youngsters in the ground the better the atmosphere, but when people get banned for farting it stifles the atmosphere, the old school songs were much better, today's songs are boring
Constant time wasting, spoiling tactics are ruining the game in my opinion, the game just doesn't flow anymore and therefore difficult to get excited about. Games were much more exciting in the 70's as we're the characters players, managers etc. You wait till we get VAR 😕
I think it may be partly to do with our awful recent record of losing points from winning positions, when we score the mood is one of trepidation rather than expectancy. The old boy who sits next to me gets to most games but before Tuesday he had seen us win once. Perhaps the more solid display on Tuesday will help
It's not really a big deal though imagine under Gurney/Jayten/the Buckle days if people said in 2023 that the biggest complaint fans would have would be lack of atmosphere whilst 4th in The Chhampionship.
It’s a big deal now, we haven’t gone through all that for our supporters staying quiet when we’re joint 3rd in the Champ. It’s not hard, people are becoming entitled customers instead of supporters.
Crowds were about 5.5k in the minus 30 season - quite a few probably passed away since them, so at least half the home crowd probably were not regulars in the dark days.
honestly. I don't think fans love the game as we used to. Imagine tomorrow it ends 3-3. End to end stuff, years ago most would be come away thinking that was a good game to watch, how many these days would ? Itll be. Why didn't we win and Andy Burgess analysing where it all went wrong.
I recently made a comment to a mate of mine who is a Liverpool fan (he does go to games to be fair) that football is just taken far too seriously these days - by pundits, social media and normal media, in general
He looked a bit puzzled (being a Liverpool fan, I wasn't shocked). Look at those earnest and po-faced pundits on Sky. Micah Richards tries to be lighter but everyone else (Souness being the worst) - fukking hell it's like they're analysing some serious world event or a state funeral or something
Fans now take it all to seriously too because of these influences and because the finances in the game make failure potentially very bad for a football club. Fukk's sake it's supposed to be a hobby and a laugh
It's been flat for the past 3 or 4 home games. Norwich on Boxing Day was good and there have been other games - notably QPR and Sheff Utd at home - this season that were good
QPR away was great by all accounts too.
But it hasn't been as good as last season.
World Cup took momentum away from the season
Loads of problems at other clubs atmosphere-wise. Not just us. Safe standing needs bringing in, prices lowered to get youngsters in and less precious stewarding and policing will bring it back everywhere
I agree with Eddie that we need our own song that everyone can join in with. How about resurrecting the Ole, ole, ole chant from the 80s? Still hear it occasionally. That Super Robbie Edwards chant, while not bad, is all we sing these days
People check the scores in the other games on their phones, their bets etc.. it won't improve particularly unless you ban mobile phones.
Also, with the ST waiting list it's harder for younger fans who don't have a ST currently to get one so the average age of people going will creep up until PC.
People had mobile phones last year and the atmosphere was really good for most of the season
Watched 2nd half of Derby - West Ham on Monday and the Derby fans didn't make a sound. A lack of atmosphere generated by home fans been something that's been a feature of English football for decades but I still think we're better than an awful lot of home fans
On your 2nd point, that's another reason why the move to PC is so important but there's still a good % of younger fans where I sit (stand)
Perhaps we rethink the role of the PA and rather than the cringy cheerleading approach we acknowledge that it doesn’t work.
Re: PA
Posted by ClaudeG on 3/2/2023, 11:11:26, in reply to "PA"
Our PA is not bad or cringey compared to other clubs. What do you expect them to do, which they are already not doing? Or what do you expect them to stop doing?
There are a few bed wetters who dislike the half time come on hatters from pitch side, but overall it creates a decent murmur around the ground.
The moaning probably has less to do with the PA, and more to do with the fact all the old farts are becoming even more cynical and grumpy in their old age.
Re: PA
Posted by The Outsider on 3/2/2023, 11:42:39, in reply to "Re: PA"
A minor thing that I find annoying. I wish that he wouldn't announce the half time score as the players go off when we are losing. We don't need to be reminded.
I also find it "interesting" that sponsors are often not named for goals or substitutions but they always seem to get announced when one of them is 1981 Events (aka Darren Jones).
Re: PA
Posted by Cuba on 3/2/2023, 12:07:29, in reply to "Re: PA"
I think he does it for the benefit of all the fans who are on their phones betting and who have missed the goals.
I had a fan in front of me on Tuesday and he spent almost the entire game on Betfair.
Incredible
Re: PA
Posted by Cuba on 3/2/2023, 11:14:18, in reply to "Re: PA"
There appears to be a groan every time we are asked to get behind “your very own Luton Town”
And telling us that “we can do this”
Perhaps get a new script and find new ways to engage the crowd more.
Just a thought.
Re: PA
Posted by Bruno on 3/2/2023, 12:36:27, in reply to "Re: PA"
It is very cringe I’ll agree. Most around me in the Oak want him to stop it too.
Re: PA
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/2/2023, 12:40:02, in reply to "Re: PA"
I don't mind it but it clearly doesn't get any great positive reaction so I'm not sure why they do it.
Re: PA
Posted by Bruno on 3/2/2023, 12:51:13, in reply to "Re: PA"
Oh I’m not moaning at all. When the athmosphere is ramping up before the match, when he pipes up it seems to flatten it. Just my view.
Re: PA
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/2/2023, 14:00:35, in reply to "Re: PA"
Agreed, like I say given that it doesn't seem to work in any way I do wonder why they persist with it.
Maybe it's designed to wake the Kenny End up just before the game starts?
Re: PA
Posted by Bruno on 3/2/2023, 14:30:17, in reply to "Re: PA"
Perhaps it’s something the ‘yoof’ like? Maybe that’s why they persist with it.
Re: PA
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/2/2023, 14:45:21, in reply to "Re: PA"
Could be. Sadly I'm not qualified to say any more.
Re: PA
Posted by Bruno on 3/2/2023, 15:10:04, in reply to "Re: PA"
Ha! Me neither.
Re: PA
Posted by Maah001 on 3/2/2023, 11:19:50, in reply to "Re: PA"
Don't mind it myself. At least he's stopped saying "Your very own Luton boys!"
Dont think its anything to do with expectations being higher. Atmoshpere in the Uk has been dying for seasons due to many rules for the fans. I should think most of the people that created the atmospere at football have been kicked out by now. Look at the atmosphere in Germany , Spain and Italy. If we tried of the things they do to get an atmosphere going we would have a season long ban.
When clubs do over here like Palace and even Arsenal now, they are mocked by other fans calling them embarrassing then moaning there is no atmosphere in their own ground. Plus we dont have an anthem or a decent song the whole ground can sing. Most of are songs are nicked of other clubs and the ones that arent contain alot of swearing which alot of families wouldnt be happy to sing with their young children.
Good point. Derby last season, I remember their fans did quite a cool coordinated thing with different stands singing songs at each other. We responded with "what the f-ing hell was that" and "you are embarrassing".
Personally I think singing complicated songs nicked off Man Utd is a bit embarrassing and really you just want some volume behind something basic that everyone can join in with. "Come on Luton" is fine enough by me.
Noticed at cup games on TV that hardly anyone is singing the old cup tie/Wembley chants, which were great
But this problem isn't exclusive to us and I don't think we're the worst culprits. It's been a few games this season where it's been poor atmosphere-wise when, for me, since 2017 the atmosphere has been, generally, pretty good at KR
When clubs do over here like Palace and even Arsenal now, they are mocked by other fans calling them embarrassing then moaning there is no atmosphere in their own ground
Agree. People claim it's manufactured, which it is, but it's better than nothing. It's manufactured in Germany and Italy too but still sounds and looks good
I agree with you, it is plastic, but I struggle to see how that plastic-ness is worse than everyone sitting on their arses, looking overly-serious and acting as if they're watching an opera instead of a game of football
If they're the only 2 options for crowd behaviour these days, I'll go with the plastic, manufactured stuff
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