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Last night in dunstable
Posted by Dunstable hatter on 25/1/2023, 9:14:22
Few of the immigrants in the sugar loaf and lots in the quadrant eying up young women
“Ghetto” It’s almost as if those outraged at someone lamenting the fact that posts about the origin of the Holocaust and posts demonising immigrants appeared on the same day, are deliberately not paying attention.
I've been in Dunstable today. It was just normal, no ravaging hordes of "refugees/asylum seekers/illegal immigrants", just normal people going about their business peacefully. Stop panicking.
What a vivid imagination you have. If you got out of your cellar and visited local towns you would learn a lot. Or just Google those places you mentioned, and see who’s telling the truth.
I was talking about Dunstable, which is the subject of the original post. As it happens I was briefly in the Arndale last week; it's not a place I visit frequently because of their actions regarding Power Court. So your thoughts, like those of your chum/alter ego, are wrong. Again.
Having run that illiterate gaebagevthrough google translate, you seem to be bemoaning the lack of seats. This is because the management took most of them out and replaced them with stalls selling tat, which adds to the overcrowding. Yes, many countries throughout the world have enclosed shopping centres.
The mid range official forecast is for 65,000 assylum applicants, 45,000 is the lower estimate , 80,000 the higher. The mid range estimate is usually about right.What do you humanely do as a country confronted with this ? So far nobody has an answer ,do you? \admittedly it worsens our terrible housing shortage but as a civilised country we have to show compassion. I accept its easy for comfortably off middle class people to dispense their largesse at the expense of the poor but I ask again .what does a humane society do?
The home office needs to have the resources to process their claims quickly. Those who are deemed to be authentic asylum seekers can stay, those who are simply economic migrants should be deported.
The Rwanda scheme etc is a gimmick.
Re: What do you do trhen?
Posted by Andy Cappucino on 25/1/2023, 13:04:56, in reply to "What do you do trhen?"
It has little to do with humanity, many of these so called asylum seekers are not fleeing persecution, war etc, they are economic migrants. We then see them bring provided for better than our own people, particularly ex service personnel, the sick and the elderly
Because they are here now...the system in place will not catch up with the backlog..so if getting on with their lives without crime let them carry on..
For a start, a grown up debate hasn't happened....ever! Working class people cannot always voice their legitimate concerns properly and the fear of being called a bigot hasn't helped - hence the new names on here. If you close down the debate then you leave a vacuum that has three causes. Firstly, the vacuum is filled and added to. Secondly, the arguments of those who have been closed down remain in place. Thirdly, they might think they have won because the only response was the closing down tactic.
There's not one solution. Europe/EU should have a plan and a procedure in place to receive, distribute, assess, repatriate, integrate and educate asylum seekers.
The UK must have civil servants etc in place to speedily deal with asylum claims - within weeks. The legislation must be in place. Camps must be in place and properly staffed meet all humanitarian requirements of newcomers.
Added to that we should have targeted foreign aid - and I mean boots on the ground not donate £100m and only a fraction of that reaches the target. Plus training of electricians, plumbers, surveyors etc to help development and increase standards of living.
True enough but a decent amount of people 'voicing their concerns' are genuine bigots or at least gullible thickos who've drunk the 'people in dinghys are why your life is shit' Kool Aid.
If our services and infrastructure were at all worthy of a first world country then such a tiny percentage increase in population would genuinely be no issue at all.
Yes, it should be both but which is the more important thing to fix, first?
Excellent post, and something i should have thought about before my comment last night. Sometimes we all jump to conclusions and the way i put my point across was incorrect.
Can't argue with any of it, particularly the part about shutting down debate and I would add the ridiculous "zero tolerance" stance on so many things too.
One outcome of all that would actually, in all likelihood, be that the UK would end up taking more asylum seekers though.
RADSB this is possibly the most sensible and spot on thing I’ve ever read on here!!! People on both sides of this ‘situation ’ can be extremely guilty of shutting down the other side and as you say this has left a vacuum that will only lead to continued trouble. In many ways a similar thing happened with the Brexit vote, the concerns of what were pretty arrogantly described as ‘Karen’s, gammons and white van man’ were either brushed under the carpet or ridiculed leaving many fearing they couldn’t voice an opinion without being thrown into one of those groups or simply being shut down, the outcome, possibly the silliest voting decision ever made by a country (and considering Boris won an election by a landslide that’s saying something!) There have always been these opinion vacuums (family discussions, when people used to talk to each other in pubs, union meetings etc, but social media has allowed this to explode to the point where some people simply can’t believe another person would think differently to them or even has the right to!
Agree with much of what you say. But grown up debate needs to happen from both sides. Using descriptors like “swarm”, “invasion” and “flood” aren’t helpful either.
It? Don’t you mean them? I’d use words that acknowledge their humanity rather than lazy and pejorative adjectives that seek to dehumanise them. Try describing them as people. Men, Women, Children, Families or heaven forbid individuals. I’d also try to be clearer about the distinction between refugees, immigrants, migrants and asylum seekers.
Straight away you corrected someone on forgetting a question mark.Which marks you down as a know all who is responsible in part for the breakdown of any likely debate
My wording is how I would say it,but you also meant the question mark.This is my argument you have started a side argument away from the issue.That is Pompous.
I made a point about people using “swarm” etc as descriptors of immigrants / asylum seekers / migrants and refugees. You asked me how I would describe “it” then instead. I questioned your use of “it” and suggested “them” given that I was talking about people. I used question marks to do this. I went on to answer your question fully. Your response was to accuse me of correcting the miss use of a question mark and then of starting a side argument. I didn’t and I haven’t. Clearly. Hope this helps your confusion.
As I have said and as is happening now you are deliberately spoiling for a fight because you did not get your own way right away,a typical leftie trait,by all means get heated but wait until after the first sentence
As I've pointed out you don't even read other people's posts properly before responding. Typical right wing bully boy not listening and shouting every other opinion down.
So you’re just gonna deflect? Ok. It would have been so much easier if you’d just held your hands up to misreading my post and then debated the points I’d made in response to your question. Easier, but not necessarily on brand and within your capabilities, I suppose.
Youve got to be joking,the only reason I told him that cock and bull about the IQ was to get rid of him was cos he was boring me,now another little lapdog has started
Not saying its boring on here at all.But the most boring people on here are the +1,post of the day brigade,who latch on to another poster and constantly agree with them
It would of been so much easier if you had not tried to be so smart in the first place.My IQ is know where as good as yours so even more reason for you not to pick up on little things
He didn't mention a question mark, which puts you down as someone who responds to posts without reading them - just like those people who don't listen in a discussion, but just say their point with no interest in the other person's opinion
Yes, because they are part of the debate! Debate = discuss, listen, try to understand a different viewpoint even if you wholeheartedly think it’s wrong or ridiculous, you haven’t got to change your mind or the person disagreeing with you but both sides might just learn something. The constant shutting down of debate is a huge problem in this country right now.
But there was no debate in those papers, just one side, just as there was on here by some people included in this discussion who shouted others down. Takes two to tango.
My point was lost a little there! I’m not suggesting that those names newspapers (or indeed the vast majority of the press) engages in proper debate but you need to bring all of those options and/or one sided debates into the bigger picture, for example if still seems quite fashionable to shut down a possible debate with ‘oh you are a daily mail reader then’! Sure I agree the daily mail is hardly a moral and accurate text by which to live your life but it’s full of views and opinions that should be invited to the table and be discussed
If we are a compassionate country then we should supply decent accommodation. But what about our young people in the armed forces, do they not deserve decent accommodation too?
There's no chance of building enough houses because without an artificially-created demand, the value would be reduced and no developer is going to do that to themselves.
I know you're a routine but you believe all this bollocks, don't you.
The country has built far fewer homes in the last 30 years, and generally smaller ones and flats, than the orevious 30 years ,even though the population has increased greatly. A recipe for disaster . Building more ,with modern frame and quick build systems is possible but creating affordable homes is difficult unless we do something about land prices in high cost areas. The state should create more state owned properties for affordable rents and not sell them off.
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