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F off Sturgeon
Posted by Wee Jimmy Crankie on 23/11/2022, 10:06:56
Ha ha
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Essex hatter on 23/11/2022, 17:29:36, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Dougal on 23/11/2022, 15:21:01, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
crying her eyes out.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Essex hatter on 23/11/2022, 12:55:31, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by George on 23/11/2022, 12:28:50, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Up to the Scottish people
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by HH on 23/11/2022, 11:48:36, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Quite novel to have a leader respect the rules and courts of the land.
A smaller, less powerful nation trying to break away from it's more powerful and important trading partners. It will never work.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by The Questioner on 23/11/2022, 21:47:47, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
If you are trying to suggest the Uk is similar to the EU then you are letting yourself down . Have a look at the history , connection , language etc . Poor from you.
But she wont mate, already saying theyll find another way.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by How desperate on 23/11/2022, 11:00:43, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Is laughingstock England that they need to hang on to the union?
Ha ha indeed.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Hawkesworth on 23/11/2022, 10:37:16, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
I'm confused, if you want her to fcuk off then surely just let them gain independence, then we never have to hear from any of them ever again.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Alien Nate on 23/11/2022, 11:11:08, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
There was a referendum in 2014 which showed the majority of Scottish voters were happy in the Union. But of course the minority have never accepted that. Hence the continued bleating. Therefore, it is not "the Scots want this" or "the Scots want that". It is a vocal minority.
Do you think folk might change their opinions in 8 years?
The Tories won the last election by a landslide 2 years ago, now they could not win a Xmas raffle.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 11:39:05, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
So you’re saying there should be a vote every 2 years? How is this for the good of Scotland when most of the ‘leaders’ time is taken up by this? It was proposes as once in a generation, that is NOT 8 years.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Tasty Geezer on 23/11/2022, 12:15:02, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
It is in Liverpool !!
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Alan Kees on 23/11/2022, 12:20:58, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Was that meant to be funny? Or is it - in what passes as significant in your tiny little mind - a genuine political consideration?
From what I've seen on question time and news outlets speaking to the public it seems to have overwhelming support.
If however they reject this again then a timetable should be put in place for another attempt wether that's 10 or 20 years or whatever.
Brexit seems to have changed a few minds on the matter,
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 14:15:32, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Opinion polls not showing that at all . . .
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Alien Nate on 23/11/2022, 14:30:25, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Glasgow and Dundee are the ones that are keen on it. They remind me of black voters in America, when they thought a black president would cure all their problems. Edinburgh mixed views, probably split between well off (or perceived so) and poorer areas. Highlands were, till SNP made a total mess of ferries. Borders are strongly against. Probably because they are the most integrated area. Obviously, the dim-witted in all areas would back it, because they think it is all about sports banter.
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 15:06:41, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Good day to you indeed!
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Godders on 23/11/2022, 12:50:10, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
In fairness, democracy has more than one way of manifesting itself. For example, as far as voting is concerned the FPTP system isn't as democratic as forms of proportional representation. And is the unelected house of Lord's a good thing or not?
That's another can of worms ( literally) our democratic system is a farce and is a crooks paradise open to corruption at every level.
Democracy was never meant to be this way but like communism it's great on paper but humans will manipulate any system to scam and cheat to get an advantage.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 12:46:22, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Ah being patronising now!
So it was a lie to say it was once in a generation vote then? Lying should be allowed in ‘your’ democracy?
So your argument will allow for a referendum to be called (from either side) every few years. Surely Brexit has proved how long it takes to untangle everything. So all government will be doing is untangling the mess each time the other side win. That would be amazing and positive for the country 🙄
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Suffolk Punch on 23/11/2022, 14:02:03, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
This is assuming that what's left of the UK would be prepared to reinstate the union. It would certainly require more than another referendum north of the border. Would we accept Scotland back?
The majority of sweaties probably want independence in their hearts, but their heads and wallets tell them otherwise.
Why the F@@@ would they want to come back to this basket case of halfwits and corruption?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Suffolk Punch on 23/11/2022, 14:42:43, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Crying? Merely posing a relevant question that you seem not understand.
An independent Scotland that suddenly has to survive on internally raised taxes rather than a distribution of UK revenue weighted per head in their favour would soon discover the reality of self government. Taxes north of the border would be significantly higher.
For what it's worth I'd be happy to see Scotland try to go it alone. I don't think it'll happen for a long while, if at all.
They seem to be surviving the reality of a Tory government which they didn't vote for.
If they can survive that they can survive anything.
Scandinavia countries have higher taxes and 3 times the standard of living and health care than this hole.
Maybe they could adopt that.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by The Questioner on 23/11/2022, 21:57:51, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Free prescriptions, free Uni ….umm good luck . Oh hang on you have oil which is both running out and when oil prices are at lower levels is uneconomical….as I say good luck . Don’t want to be in a Union but desperate to be in a bigger Union . Wrap it up how you like widow Krankie and co are anti English …racism at its worse level.
Posted by Edinburgh agreement on 23/11/2022, 13:14:25, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Where does it say in the Edinburgh agreement that it was a once in a lifetime referendum?As for moving the goal posts,it seems to be fine when the unionists do it like the did in the seventies
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 13:37:37, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Not in the agreement but . . .
"The Scottish Government’s 2013 white paper, Scotland’s Future, which made the case for Scottish independence, also defined the referendum as a “once in a generation opportunity”.
In the Q&A section of the document, The Scottish Government answers the question “If Scotland votes No, will there be another referendum on independence at a later date?”
The Scottish Government’s response was: “The Edinburgh Agreement states that a referendum must be held by the end of 2014. There is no arrangement in place for another referendum on independence.
“It is the view of the current Scottish Government that a referendum is a once-in-a-generation opportunity. This means that only a majority vote for Yes in 2014 would give certainty that Scotland will be independent.”
Before the 2014 vote, Nicola Sturgeon herself repeatedly called the referendum a “once in a lifetime” or “once in a generation” opportunity, such as in an interview with the BBC’s Daily Politics, where she said: “The SNP have always said that in our view these kind of referendums are ‘once in a generation’ events.”"
Fair points made but of course this situation has been change by the proverbial "elephant in the room "
BREXIT was forced upon the nation against its will.
That changes everything for me.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 13:55:00, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Oh, some more goalpost moving . . .
Scotland had a referendum asking if it wanted to be in the UK. It said "Yes". So Scotland is part of the UK.
The UK had a referendum to decide on Brexit and it said "Yes" to that.
It may well be that something happens in a few years that will change people's minds back the other way. Just how often should we have these referenda?
I could agree to buy your house for £350k in principle. ( it means nothing in law )
I ask again, what scares the English government so much?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 14:33:28, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Again, why do you think all and sundry are scared of something just because they disagree with you?
But, sorry, I'm going to disagree with you too, it's about time politicians stopped ####ing around with their own selfish agendas and started working on the huge issues that we are currently facing.
That's what they need to do for the next few years and once we've got some kind of stability and some kind of handle on those issues we can look at these things again. Scottish sovereignty is, of course, important but only an idiot would prioritise it at this moment in time.
Where was it written or agreed to that the vote was once in a lifetime vote ?
If we had another Brexit vote I would change one thing in law before a vote could take place.
Any person or persons found to be lying to influence voters would be liable to prosecutors.
Nothing I have posted is patronising. You even brought up NHS deaths as a reason for no vote, that's patronising considering the state and deaths happening in England.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 12:57:54, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
I asked me if I understood how democracy works? Very patronising. Why not use your usual posting name? What are you afraid of?
My name keeps getting used by wackos as I've explained many times ( I'm sure you know this )
You seem rattled, have a cup of tea and a lie down. ( now that's what I call patronising )
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 14:03:35, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Not rattled at all, I’m not sure people views on an unofficial football teams forum resonates too much in my life. Just enjoyed seeing your arguments torn to shreds and watching you back pedal. Don’t be afraid to stand by your name you’re better than that.
Well if that's what you have concluded from our exchange then so be it.
I think anyone reading this thread will think otherwise but if you think you have done well then that's good enough for me.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 15:42:48, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Oh dear, you really are up your own arse ‘Eric’
I think it’s you that must be ‘scared’ reading your exchanges between MG and SP you seem a little one dimensional and stuck in some kind of mud.
Toddle pip
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 12:03:27, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
What makes you think he is scared?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Peter Griffin on 23/11/2022, 12:08:00, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Exactly, pretty weak defence MG. I never get involved in politics debate on here. I have family north of the border and they are fed up of the distraction indyref is causing and as it looks will continue to do. NHS, death rates, drug use all being put to one side on NS power trip.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 13:31:04, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
I can only imagine, Sturgeon has always been like a stuck record. Every single issue she has the same response that it's another reason for Scottish independence, often ignoring the reality of it. Which does sound very familiar.
We are facing huge issues right now, of the like never seen before, and all our politicians are doing is deflecting and distracting. It's an absolute dereliction of duty.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Andy Cappucino on 23/11/2022, 10:46:51, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Independence means the Sweaties decide what they do but the English continue to pay for it.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Vladimir Luton on 23/11/2022, 10:51:17, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
It will mean that the 50 odd SNP MPs will remain in situ. Which means a lower chance of an overall majority in the HoC for either Tories or Labour. Which means more years of f-ck all happening in Westminster.
Yay!
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Godders on 23/11/2022, 12:54:43, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Actually NOC is a good thing as it forces parties to work together for the benefit of the country, not head down one route of far left or far right policies, and not push things through which are purely ideology driven.
It's worked well elsewhere in Europe.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Hawkesworth on 23/11/2022, 10:58:45, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
But there's already a Scottish parliament, if they became independent why would still be turning up at Westminster?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 10:55:50, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Why would they remain as MPs after independence?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Vladimir Luton on 23/11/2022, 11:43:05, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
I meant that now the referendum and independence is off the table for the time being, the SNP MPs will sit in Westminster in opposition to whoever is in government.
Should have worded it better
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 11:45:38, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Ah, yes, that's certainly true but I think we are better off together overall.
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Really? on 23/11/2022, 10:44:46, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
Will that be like Brexit then, where it's a clean break and we don't have to worry about Europe again as none of the problems affect us any more, we keep all our own money and prosper from trade with the rest of the world?
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by Mahatma Gander on 23/11/2022, 11:06:46, in reply to "Re: F off Sturgeon "
If I remember correctly, which is probably doubtful to be fair, it's worse in the sense that they think they can break away, take most of the good offshore wind territory with them and not take a share of the UK's debts . . .
Re: F off Sturgeon
Posted by R Bruce on 23/11/2022, 10:34:34, in reply to "F off Sturgeon "
Minor hiccup
Re: F off Sturgeon
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