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    Government by media pressure

    Posted by College Hatter on 3/10/2022, 8:46:17

    I don't understand the intricacies of economic policy well enough to know whether the u-turn on the abolition of the 45% tax rate is a good or bad thing. But I'm convinced that Government by pressure from the media is a bad thing, and that's what we have here.

      Re: Government by media pressure

      Posted by jimmyp on 3/10/2022, 12:40:53, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

      Yeah, except that "media pressure" probably isn't even in the top five of reasons why they've u-turned this.

      Although they'd absolutely fucking love it that you think so.

      Cheers, Jim

        Re: Government by media pressure

        Posted by Slaphead Kal on 3/10/2022, 11:38:48, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

        They've binned the 45% tax cut because it only brings in £2-3 billion (small amount compared to other measures). The biggest argument for the cut is that it might make more rich people, business owners etc come to the UK & provide jobs & contribute to the UK's tax coffers. The fact that they've binned that arguable principle just flies in the face of their 'grow the economy' mantra.

          Re: Government by media pressure

          Posted by Nick PBH on 3/10/2022, 11:00:46, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

          I think it was more market pressure, and pressure from the OBR and Bank of England rather than media pressure .

            Re: Government by media pressure

            Posted by Yeah on 3/10/2022, 10:12:17, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

            I think its more to avoid a back bench backlash being the conference season, not a good look.

              Re: Government by media pressure

              Posted by Cuba on 3/10/2022, 10:03:59, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

              I think someone suggested that on here two weeks ago and got shot down.

              It’s abundantly clear the MSM set the agenda.

              Either we have an elected government or we don’t.

                Re: Government by media pressure

                Posted by crumpsall on 3/10/2022, 10:25:33, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                It’s abundantly clear the MSM set the agenda.


                How on earth do you justify that claim in this context? Let's have some facts rather than foggy nudge nudge guff.

                  Re: Government by media pressure

                  Posted by HH on 3/10/2022, 10:11:25, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                  Yeah, how dare we question our dear leaders!?

                  TO THE GULAGS

                    Re: Government by media pressure

                    Posted by Cuba on 3/10/2022, 10:17:50, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                    “We”

                    20 years ago we had printed newspapers challenging the government once per day.

                    Today we have 24/7 news channels and social media in a continuous frenzy.

                    Whether you agree or not with specific party policy the world is not governable while the MSM is allowed to influence things like this.

                      Re: Government by media pressure

                      Posted by crumpsall on 3/10/2022, 10:45:30, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                      Sky News started round the clock coverage in 1989, BBC News 24 in 1997.

                      Many newspapers back in the 50s would have several editions during the day/evening, especially local papers.

                      I get your drift, especially the social media comment (which is not, to use your vacuuous expression 'MSM') but as ever your claims are short on actual fact.

                        Re: Government by media pressure

                        Posted by HH on 3/10/2022, 10:29:16, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                        The world is perfectly governable for competent governments.

                        All the government had to do to avoid this mess was a) discuss it with their cabinet, b) explain how it was going to be funded c) release the OBR assessment which surely would have backed up their claims it was definitely going to lead to growth.

                        It's a mess entirely of their making.

                          Re: Government by media pressure

                          Posted by Cuba on 3/10/2022, 10:50:21, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                          They did what they did because the press trapped them into making a big show on day one.

                          It backfired and the press demand they change.

                          So the press created the situation and then forced the u-turn.

                          Rather than stick with the plan the government just do what the press say.

                          #Populism

                          I dare say if the MSM created its own political party it would win any and every election.

                            Re: Government by media pressure

                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/10/2022, 11:20:46, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                            While you are mostly talking rubbish, it is true that there was a lot of pressure from the media for quick action to be taken, given the situation we are in.

                            I'd suggest that was as much a reflection of public opinion as anything else.

                            But I challenge you to find many MSM articles suggesting that the "quick action" was to come up with something completely stupid, do no due diligence and announce it without checking!

                              Re: Government by media pressure

                              Posted by Cuba on 3/10/2022, 11:15:51, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                              Q. So why did they “need” to have a mini-budget?

                              A. To pander to the right wing press who wanted a show of strength from the new “Iron lady”

                              It’s spectacularly back fired but I suspect Truss thought her stock was high following the period of National Mourning.

                              The Daily Telegraph, in particular Alistair Heath lapped the tax changes up and called it outstanding.

                              The Mail and Express also seemed to back it heavily.

                              Until someone did their sums and then all three papers started to back pedal.

                              And this Champagne reception with Hedge Fund managers…..

                              WTAF

                                Re: Government by media pressure

                                Posted by HH on 3/10/2022, 12:04:33, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                Q. So why did they “need” to have a mini-budget?

                                A. To pander to the right wing press who wanted a show of strength from the new “Iron lady”


                                I find the belief that Truss was only catering to the right wing press a bit odd tbh.

                                Truss spent her entire leadership campaign trying to emulate Maggie, with her dress sense and haircut, and talked about tax cuts to the senile old piss stained members who voted her in.

                                It lets her spectacularly off the hook from her own ignorance and stupidity to say she only did it because she was pressured into it by the right wing press.

                                Re: Government by media pressure

                                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 3/10/2022, 11:01:47, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                Any "press" in particular??

                                  Re: Government by media pressure

                                  Posted by City Gent on 3/10/2022, 10:57:30, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                  Oh m8...

                                    Re: Government by media pressure

                                    Posted by HH on 3/10/2022, 10:53:24, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                    No one forced them to announce a mini-budget and a big show on day one.

                                    Which papers were demanding a mini budget?

                                      Re: Government by media pressure

                                      Posted by crumpsall on 3/10/2022, 10:52:42, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                      That is absolute poppycock.

                                      What's your principle? When backed into a corner, just make something up with zero evidence? How very Boris Johnson of you.

                                    Re: Government by media pressure

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 3/10/2022, 10:24:06, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                    "The MSM"

                                    What about the conspiracy websites?

                                      Re: Government by media pressure

                                      Posted by Sebby on 3/10/2022, 11:05:17, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                      Blimey!
                                      Someone believes everything the corrupt government tells you

                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 3/10/2022, 11:21:49, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                        You're suggesting NaG believes what this government says? Hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                        Posted by Hi there on 3/10/2022, 10:27:57, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                        There were many things dismissed as conspiracy theories during covid that are now shown to be true.
                                        It is a real shame that you go through life with blinkers on.

                                          Re: Government by media pressure

                                          Posted by What covid did prove on 3/10/2022, 11:30:34, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                          Is that this country ( among others ) has a serious mental health issues.

                                          Good luck.

                                            Re: Government by media pressure

                                            Posted by Mathew on 3/10/2022, 10:30:01, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                            Any examples? Or you just make stuff up?

                                              Re: Government by media pressure

                                              Posted by For a start on 3/10/2022, 13:24:48, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                              If it was as serious as the government had some of you believe, they wouldn't have been blatantly ignored the rules themselves.

                                                Re: Government by media pressure

                                                Posted by Well on 3/10/2022, 13:44:07, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                They have ignored every rule of law going.

                                                Brexit and lying to the queen,cash for access,Patterson.

                                                What a crock of shit.

                                              Re: Government by media pressure

                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 3/10/2022, 10:29:48, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                              Name them. Go on, just one.

                                                Re: Government by media pressure

                                                Posted by Doctor Ince on 3/10/2022, 12:23:25, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "



                                                I've said a few on here

                                                Most get deleted
                                                Others just get a head in the sand response from people who don't want to admit they were duped

                                                  Re: Government by media pressure

                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 3/10/2022, 12:29:21, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                  People who used common sense and didn't get information from conspiracy theorists and nutters.

                                                  Re: Government by media pressure

                                                  Posted by Hi there on 3/10/2022, 10:57:39, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                  Pointless. It will only get deleted.
                                                  If you're too much of a thicko to open your mind to the fact that some of what we were told about covid was lies, more fool you.

                                                  Re: Government by media pressure

                                                  Posted by Tarquin on 3/10/2022, 10:51:56, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                  A con to make Tory pals rich

                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                        Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 3/10/2022, 9:40:25, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                        Of all the things to u turn on this wasn’t the one, will make sod all difference to the country’s finances, pure virtual signalling, and possibly deter high earners from locating here. If they’d revised the energy bailout, bu targeting it at the less well off, I’d have been much happier

                                          Re: Government by media pressure

                                          Posted by Andy Cappucino on 3/10/2022, 9:37:07, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                          It's a pity we didn't see some u turns from the last Labour govt.

                                            Re: Government by media pressure

                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/10/2022, 9:38:44, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                            Agreed.

                                            Their policies were far too close to Tory dogma at times.

                                            Re: Government by media pressure

                                            Posted by City Gent on 3/10/2022, 9:34:09, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                            Love it. Presumably the role of the media is to consume government policy without comment or criticism, and maybe even throw in a bit of 'talking up' the news?

                                            Liz 'n' Kami, pictured yesterday at Conference...


                                              Re: Government by media pressure

                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 3/10/2022, 9:32:50, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                              It's not what we have here at all.

                                                Re: Government by media pressure

                                                Posted by Abbott on 3/10/2022, 9:26:58, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                                I'd suggest that as it appears the u-turn is due to a backlash from the general public, then it's reasonable to assume its a good thing. Despite Truss still saying yesterday that she wouldn't be reversing her decision.

                                                  Re: Government by media pressure

                                                  Posted by KS on 3/10/2022, 9:11:13, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                                  "At last a true Tory U-turn".

                                                    Re: Government by media pressure

                                                    Posted by Herts Hatter on 3/10/2022, 8:54:21, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                                    The media is an arm of corporate ownership. The media is not impartial. I wish the censors would allow normal people to challenge the left and their big business allies on the Internet but they won't so this thread will be derailed by the usual suspects knowing they are untouchable

                                                      Re: Government by media pressure

                                                      Posted by Ches Fordroad on 3/10/2022, 8:59:32, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                      "the left and their big business allies"



                                                      Genuinely one of the funniest things I've ever read online - well done for cheering up a mundane Monday morning

                                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                                        Posted by Stan on 3/10/2022, 9:15:01, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                        We all know who controls the worlds banks and governments

                                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                                        Posted by crumpsall on 3/10/2022, 9:07:38, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                        Herts Hatter is an up and coming conspiracy theory nutjob, and that one is a peach of a non sequitur.


                                                        He claimed the other day that Tories objecting to Truss were actually Labour voters pretending to be Tories. They've infiltrated the Conservative conference rather well if that's the case! 🤣🤣🤣

                                                      Re: Government by media pressure

                                                      Posted by Really? on 3/10/2022, 8:53:07, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                                      Not pressure from within the Tory party then? The predicted rebellion led by Gove? Do those facts not suit you?

                                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                                        Posted by HH on 3/10/2022, 9:13:29, in reply to "Re: Government by media pressure "

                                                        Innit.

                                                        Literally only yesterday Truss and Kwasi saying they were sticking to their plan.

                                                        Seems to have only changed when Gove, Shapps and Caulfield suggested said they wouldn't get it through the house and Curtice telling the Tory conference Labour were on course for a three figure majority.

                                                        Feckless clowns.

                                                        Re: Government by media pressure

                                                        Posted by Joker on 3/10/2022, 8:52:19, in reply to "Government by media pressure "

                                                        And backbenchers and constituents. Not just the media.

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