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    VAR

    Posted by Ramridge Raider on 1/10/2022, 9:18:47

    I know it has it's faults but on balance I think its good for the game. The game is so much faster nowadays that refs need that help.

    I know many will disagree but personally I think it's now time to introduce it into the Championship.

    Last night was a good example. The obvious one was the stonewall penalty, but we probably could have had another three penalties (they could have had one) with their wrestling and shirt pulling at corners. Their number five had no intention of winning a header at corners, his sole intention was to manhandle Morris to stop him getting a run at the ball.

    If you have VAR, the defenders are far to frightened to adopt those tactics.



      Re: VAR

      Posted by Tel on 1/10/2022, 11:31:07, in reply to "VAR"

      No , no and thrice no. It will eventually ruin what we love most about the game.

        Re: VAR

        Posted by RM on 1/10/2022, 10:47:55, in reply to "VAR"

        Re the shirt pulling, not many refs are brave enough to give a penalty, its almost impossible for them to decide who pulled who first. We don't see many pens in the Premier league gor shirt pulling or manhandling.

        Morris could have got a penalty on another day but when we defend corners we are guilty of the shirt pulling as well, so swings and roundabouts.

        Is VAR good or bad, not sure, they often get it right but also bizarrely get some big decisions wrong.
        I think VAR slows the game down, it's not unusual for a decision to take 3 or more minutes.
        Was there really anything wrong with the refs human error in years gone by. Strangley didn't that add to the game and drama. Dont those talking points add to the game for the fan.

          Re: VAR

          Posted by Ramridge Raider on 1/10/2022, 11:57:01, in reply to "Re: VAR"

          I think the reason you dont see pens for manhandling in the Prem, is that most defenders dont do it anymore because they know the consequences.

          It's the same with blatant diving. It rarely happens now as the attacker knows that VAR will pick it up and most likely the ref would give a yellow.

          Re: VAR

          Posted by The Orange Salopian on 1/10/2022, 10:45:56, in reply to "VAR"

          and VAR would have ruled out Lansburys goal, these things even themselves out over time.

            Re: VAR

            Posted by bbb on 1/10/2022, 10:16:43, in reply to "VAR"

            Nah, not for me. Decisions tend to even themselves out over the course of the season.

              Re: VAR

              Posted by Doctor Ince on 1/10/2022, 10:04:46, in reply to "VAR"

              No Lansbury goal with VAR

                Re: VAR

                Posted by Philthehatter on 1/10/2022, 9:54:56, in reply to "VAR"

                Totally disagree, officials make mistakes, so what!
                Things like time wasting and faking injury are far more annoying than the odd bad decision.

                  Re: VAR

                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 1/10/2022, 10:57:26, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                  Amen!

                  Re: VAR

                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 1/10/2022, 9:45:52, in reply to "VAR"

                  It's been appalling. I agree refs need help but I don't think it has improved decision making enough to make it worth the delays and hesitation it causes in a game's flow.

                  And as mentioned below the stupid "toenail" offsides are just ridiculous. It's supposed to be for clear and obvious errors, if you need to add lines to an image it's clearly not that.

                    Re: VAR

                    Posted by Ramridge Raider on 1/10/2022, 9:59:35, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                    Re offsides, see my response to MC.

                    I also hate seeing goals overturned on a 'toenail' but critics of VAR rarely mention goals scored that previously wouldnt have stood.

                      Re: VAR

                      Posted by Earls on 1/10/2022, 10:40:35, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                      The percentage of goals VAR has disallowed vs those itís overturned is about 90/10 against.
                      Anyone who thinks itís speeded the game up is just totally wrong.
                      Itíll only ever cause more controversy, because it needs more refs to judge whether itís a foul/deliberate handball etc.
                      Itís a waste of money.
                      The joy of celebrating a goal has been ruined.
                      It undermines refsí authority and makes them worse, overthinking their decisions.
                      It makes the focus increase more on decisions, not less.

                        Re: VAR

                        Posted by Ramridge Raider on 1/10/2022, 11:51:22, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                        What that stat doesn't show though (as it's not measurable) is the amount of goals scored in tight offside decisions, where previously the linesman would have flagged. MOTD used to devote half their programme to contentious offside decisions where a goal was ruled out but it was proved to be onside.

                        I suppose the best stat would be to see if there has been a reduction in goals over the last couple of years. I'm to lazy to look it up.

                        Re: VAR

                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 1/10/2022, 10:35:54, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                        Yes, and that's actually a very good point to be fair.

                        But the one time I saw it at Bournemouth it was awful even though the decisions went for us each time.

                      Re: VAR

                      Posted by Music Critic on 1/10/2022, 9:41:09, in reply to "VAR"

                      As long as it's not used for offside (unless technology develops that can buzz a linesman's wristband to tell him someone was offside so he can flag straight away) then I might warm to it

                      As it is, the way VAR is used at the moment they seem desperate to find ways of chalking goals off, leading to the hesitate-to-celebrate thing as so many goals get referred. If fans are being conditioned to not celebrate fully when a goal goes in, then what's the point? If that moment is regularly ruined (even if a goal is eventually given) then it ruins the game

                      And VAR officials get loads of things wrong anyway

                        Re: VAR

                        Posted by Earls on 1/10/2022, 10:41:40, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                        +1

                          Re: VAR

                          Posted by Ramridge Raider on 1/10/2022, 9:54:35, in reply to "Re: VAR"

                          I agree about goals being 'chalked off' but I think VAR and the rules are evolving and I eventually they will get it about right.

                          What seems to be overlooked though is the amount of goals scored when previously the linesman would have flagged for offside. Lino's used to give the benefit of the doubt to the defensive team on close offsides. Now they keep their flag down and wait for the VAR call.

                          Another example is refs allowing play to continue when there may have been a foul in the lead up to a goal. The Muskwe goal at the end of the season was a good example. If we had VAR the goal would have stood.

                          VAR will never be perfect but I'm getting fed up with poor refereeing decisions on a weekly basis. And yes, I know it will work against us 50% of the time.

                          Re: VAR

                          Posted by Lauriel on 1/10/2022, 9:30:09, in reply to "VAR"

                          Its still open to different interpretation and refs can over rule the advice- i prefer not to have VAR

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