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    Renationalising the railways.

    Posted by Godders on 27/9/2022, 12:53:03

    Perfect policy!

    Bravo Labour.

      Re: Renationalising the railways.

      Posted by The Questioner on 27/9/2022, 23:50:39, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

      BrilliantÖ.worst politicians in this country I have seen in my lifetime and you want to give the useless ####ers even more opportunities to #### up.
      No thanks .

        Re: Renationalising the railways.

        Posted by Morph on 27/9/2022, 14:25:26, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

        Donít touch it if it ainít broken. Thameslink line is fine

          Re: Renationalising the railways.

          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:32:40, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

          Except when they cancel the 11.30ish train from St. Pancras on a Saturday night.

          Re: Renationalising the railways.

          Posted by lastsraw on 27/9/2022, 14:02:24, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

          Yes and easy to do, when a train operating companies franchise come to an end the government takes over. This happened on the EastCoast mainline when Virgin pulled out of their franchise.
          As other franchises reach their end they to will be nationalised, and when all franchises end the railway will be effectively nationalised again. Bring it on.

            Re: Renationalising the railways.

            Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 27/9/2022, 15:14:26, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

            Virgin didn't pull out...

              Re: Renationalising the railways.

              Posted by Laststraw on 27/9/2022, 16:11:03, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

              You're right the Dept of Transport announced that the Virgin Trains East Coast franchise would be terminated three years early in 2020.

                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 27/9/2022, 17:30:21, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                Probably saving Branson millions...

                H hmmm cue conspiracy idiots.

            Re: Renationalising the railways.

            Posted by Hang on on 27/9/2022, 13:37:51, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

            Yeah, British Rail was such a lovely experience for travellers eh?

              Re: Renationalising the railways.

              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 13:52:40, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

              I used to commute to London in the 70s. Trains on time, affordable fares, and guards on the train and stations staffed by human beings.

                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                Posted by Hang on on 27/9/2022, 13:59:30, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                Take your Rose tinted glasses off. They were a shithole, stunk and often late.

                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                  Posted by Suffolk Punch on 27/9/2022, 15:05:54, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                  Quite. From my experience the service in the early to mid seventies was often disrupted by union action, the trains were filthy and belched out pollution. The staff, knowing their jobs were safe whatever, couldn't give a shit. And the fares kept going up.

                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 16:24:49, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                    Trains are no longer diesel-belching monsters.

                    And staff won't suddenly become dinosaurs such as you describe, and were probably not all alike.

                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                      Posted by Godders on 27/9/2022, 15:26:51, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                      Except that that was 50 years ago. Virtually none of those trains are still going except on heritage lines.

                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                        Posted by Suffolk Punch on 27/9/2022, 16:45:35, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                        Yes, the trains are different, that's stating the obvious. But the interiors weren't cleaned from one day to the next and the broken seats were never replaced. My post was to counter Nag's rose tinted memories.

                        My biggest criticism of BR was the lack of pride and couldn't care less attitude of the unions and staff, which contributed greatly to the other problems. Given the considerable influence of the rail unions today, it wouldn't take long for those old attitudes to resurface.

                        Whilst I accept that there is a case to be made for renationalisation, I don't think it's the answer to the problems. The way the railways were privatised wasn't thought through properly, and was rushed. What is called for is a wholesale in depth review, if you like, an expansionist "Beeching in reverse" which looks to cover the next 30 years.

                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                      Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 14:16:09, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                      Travelled on any trains recently, or tried to? Hardly ever on time. Connections are a nightmare. Massively overpriced.

                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                        Posted by m on 27/9/2022, 14:49:12, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                        My daughter has just started at Lincoln uni, if she comes home. She can get a train to Sandy changing at Peterborough. A ticket to Peterborough on its own is 7 quid, to go to Sandy it becomes 52!! Yet is less a distance

                          Re: Renationalising the railways.

                          Posted by Hang on on 27/9/2022, 14:30:06, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                          Yes. Absolutely crap service but that doesn't mean the old British Rail was something great. It wasn't.

                            Re: Renationalising the railways.

                            Posted by Fat Controller on 27/9/2022, 15:08:46, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                            The state already owns our railways FFS - it's just the German, Dutch and French ones. So, we may as well do it.

                            The UK taxpayer still funds it so we may as well own it

                            And the only (UK) publicly-owned line is running well so maybe the UK state has learned lessons

                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                              Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 14:48:54, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                              It wasn't 'great' but very little was then However, it was massively better than we have now. Flash rolling stock is no good if the services aren't running. You can't get anywhere up North from London after around 9.30. You can't guarantee any connection and you pay a fortune.

                              Take Hull away last season: advertised, a direct line from Manchester with several time slots. The night before, all cancelled. So via Leeds, taking an hour longer. Two hours before that service was due, all direct trains to Leeds canceĺled. Ended up on a local train, then a bone rattler from Leeds that was absolutely rammed after more cancellations and platfo changes. Ditto Middlesbrough away. Huddersfield not much better.Travelling across the country is a lottery. And the pricing is both outrageous and incredibly inconsistent. It needs to be renationalised.

                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                Posted by KS on 27/9/2022, 15:29:55, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                Luton last played at home on Christmas Day in late 1950's against Man Utd. They played the return match at Old Trafford on Boxing Day.

                                They didnt travel by coach, the journey by road would have been a nightmare, there were no motorways. And of course flying was unheard of.

                                Wonder how they did it.


                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                  Posted by Laststraw on 27/9/2022, 16:20:13, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                  Maybe they went on the Man Utd coach after the Christmas Day Match.

                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                    Posted by The Outsider on 27/9/2022, 15:39:57, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                    Whilst it doesn't alter the point that you are making, it was actually the other way round.

                                    It was 1957, a few weeks before Munich.

                                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 17:27:05, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                      You'd be surprised.
                                      It's probably about 10 past 5, I've caught it myself, busway to the station, run across the road, bingo!

                                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                        Posted by The Outsider on 27/9/2022, 19:13:25, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                        You threw me by posting that a long way away from the post that it refers to.

                                        5.10 - possible
                                        5 pm (as you posted) - highly unlikely

                                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                        Posted by Godders on 27/9/2022, 15:55:49, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                        I'm glad you can understand his point. I can't. Trying to compare transport nearly 70 years ago with now is like chalk and cheese. Two very different things

                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:33:23, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                    Do you actually remember it?

                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:04:35, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                  Are you accusing me of lying?
                                  The trains I used for my commute were as I said.
                                  Also, there were guards on the trains and stations were staffed.
                                  You cannot deny that.
                                  Perhaps you're too young to remember, and are just parroting propaganda.

                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 13:41:40, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                A lot better than the shite many regions are served up with now

                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                  Posted by Godders on 27/9/2022, 13:48:11, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                  And that's to say nothing about the hundreds of £millions wasted when new rolling stock is ordered prior to a Train Oerating Company loosing their franchise then the new TOC orders new stock as part of their franchise agreement! You couldn't make it up!

                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                  Posted by Godders on 27/9/2022, 13:39:33, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                  There were many good things about British Rail. The APT and HST for example.

                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 27/9/2022, 13:57:23, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                    And the relative simplicity of the fare structure!

                                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:06:26, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                      And being able to get on any train which was going from your station to the one you wanted to arrive at.

                                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                        Posted by Isn't that on 27/9/2022, 14:09:36, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                        What trains are supposed to do?

                                          Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:12:30, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                          If you have a Thameslink ticket from Luton to St. Pancras, and board the faster EMR train, EMR can fine you for not having the correct ticket.
                                          Whereas when it was all British Rail, it didn't matter.

                                            Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                            Posted by Are you saying on 27/9/2022, 14:16:03, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                            That you can be fined for getting on a train that you don't have a ticket for?

                                            That's like Easyjet not letting you on to a flight because you've got a Ryanair ticket.

                                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:20:31, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                              Exactly.

                                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 14:18:40, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                Try reading what NaG said. In the past you paid from destination to destination and you could catch any train (within peak/off peak of course). Now you can't. And 'peak' on some lines in and out of London covers a far longer time span

                                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                  Posted by But that's on 27/9/2022, 14:24:07, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                  Exactly the same scenario as you have abroad, for example the German ICE trains have a premium price for a quicker service,what is so strange about that?
                                                  (Unless you're a Socialist and do not believe in choice)

                                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                    Posted by Suffolk Punch on 27/9/2022, 15:13:49, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                    Same as in Italy. (where the trains south of Naples are invariably late)

                                                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:34:36, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                      But it used not to happen on BR.

                                                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                        Posted by Lack of choice on 27/9/2022, 14:37:25, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                        Would be seen as a drawback by most people

                                                          Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                          Posted by Have you on 27/9/2022, 15:04:59, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                          Got a source for that assertion?

                                                            Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:44:49, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                            How? You want to get a train from Luton to London at a certain time, you can only get one train on one track at one time.

                                                            The only possible choice is to catch one which only makes one or two stops along the way, or one which makes several, and travels on a different track.

                                                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 27/9/2022, 14:39:43, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                              I think they'd be more interested in a reliable service that was affordable though.

                                                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                Posted by Seeing that on 27/9/2022, 14:42:20, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                Rail passenger numbers have doubled since privatisation it would appear that many people are happy with the current situation

                                                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                  Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 14:52:57, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                  That's got bugger all to do with privatisation and a lot to do with the horrendous state of our motorway network. Do you ever actually travel any mid to long distances?

                                                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 27/9/2022, 14:50:59, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                  You think that's why numbers have grown? People think the service is reliable and affordable?

                                                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:46:24, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                  Or they are put off driving by the cost of fuel and parking.

                                                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                    Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 14:56:31, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                    And the state and crowdedness of the roads. I did Manchester to Luton in around 2 and a half hours regularly in the past. Now it's more like 4 to 4 and a half hours. Nearly 6 for the recent Sheffield United night game.

                                                                      Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                      Posted by So why on 27/9/2022, 15:11:29, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                      Did rail passenger numbers double since privatisation (after previously halving since the 50s)

                                                                      Road traffic has been on an upward trajectory constantly for decades so it's a huge leap of faith to link the two items.

                                                                        Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                        Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 15:13:12, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                        Not really. This is from Wiki (yes, not gospel I know):

                                                                        Since privatisation, the number of national rail journeys had increased by 128% in 2019-20[6][7]†and the number of passenger-km had increased by 126%, after a period of mostly decline during nationalization.[8]†There is controversy as to how much of this is due to privatisation, and how much is due to other factors such as rising fuel prices, road congestion, low unemployment, and in particular, GDP growth. Critics of privatisation such as the†RMT union†have pointed out that passenger numbers started rising 18 months before the privatisation process began, as the economy started recovering from the recession of the early 1990s.[9]†H

                                                                          Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                          Posted by So you're on 27/9/2022, 15:29:31, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                          Admitting that you don't know exactly why passenger numbers have increased over the last 30 years or so but you DO know that whatever the question is, nationalisation is the answer.

                                                                            Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                            Posted by crumpsall on 27/9/2022, 15:35:26, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                            Whatever. You seem to be posting shifting sands responses to various people under a range of names to be contrarian. I have no time for that. You may have, good on you. Feel free to post a triumphalist (yet spuriously based) response if that's what your ego requires.


                                                                            And don't put words in my mouth, there's a good fellow.

                                                          Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 27/9/2022, 14:22:59, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                          Although I wonder sometimes if the Luton fans who board the 5pm EMR train after a match and disembark at St. Albans have an EMR ticket

                                                            Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                            Posted by Laststraw on 27/9/2022, 16:16:36, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                            They'd have no chance catching it when playing Wycombe!😉

                                                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                              Posted by The Outsider on 27/9/2022, 17:13:24, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                              I would think that they would struggle whoever we are playing.

                                                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                                Posted by Laststraw on 27/9/2022, 21:59:41, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                                Think you're correct I struggle to catch the 5.15pm Hitchin bus after a match.

                                                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                              Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 27/9/2022, 15:20:09, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                              As the fans going north on the corby train...never had a ticket checked in 6 years....

                                              Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                              Posted by RGDave on 27/9/2022, 13:34:48, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

                                              Rational post, Godders.

                                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                Posted by SAHB on 27/9/2022, 13:18:28, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

                                                They should do the same with all the utilities too.

                                                Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 27/9/2022, 13:18:12, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

                                                There is hope it seems.

                                                  Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                  Posted by Laurie on 27/9/2022, 12:55:18, in reply to "Renationalising the railways."

                                                  A Jeremy C Manifesto plan along with many others

                                                  The way forward .

                                                    Re: Renationalising the railways.

                                                    Posted by Captain Mainwaring on 27/9/2022, 14:27:38, in reply to "Re: Renationalising the railways."

                                                    All the new rolling stock is leased over the period remaining of the individual franchise. You either give each franchise 20 years, or bring it back under central government control.

                                                    The DMU service from Bedford to St P was a health hazard. As you sat down on the highly sprung bench seat, the dust lifted into a cloud!

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