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    Far right Italy

    Posted by J Block on 26/9/2022, 15:30:41

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/26/world-reacts-to-melonis-right-wing-victory-in-italy-election

      Re: Far right Italy

      Posted by RGDave on 26/9/2022, 17:45:30, in reply to "Far right Italy"

      To be fair that should cheer up some of the Trump supporters on here, surfing the internet in their pants and and raging about ‘lefties’.

        Re: Far right Italy

        Posted by J Block on 26/9/2022, 17:48:47, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

        whatever

        Re: Far right Italy

        Posted by Essex hatter on 26/9/2022, 17:37:08, in reply to "Far right Italy"

        That new Italy prime minister she is fit as fck

          Re: Far right Italy

          Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 15:41:58, in reply to "Far right Italy"

          Even the blindest must be becoming concerned about the creeping move towards fascism worldwide??

            Re: Far right Italy

            Posted by Wet wipe spotter on 26/9/2022, 17:44:22, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

            Wet wipe, at it again.
            Dry your eyes, dear.

              Re: Far right Italy

              Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 18:02:10, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

              All those names - almost as many as Ron/Mike etc - and never anything worthwhile to say, to anyone, about anything.

              You poor old chap.

                Re: Far right Italy

                Posted by E1 on 26/9/2022, 19:06:16, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                Well said Crumps.

                Re: Far right Italy

                Posted by Gullible fool spotter on 26/9/2022, 17:46:19, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                Found one

                Re: Far right Italy

                Posted by mmee on 26/9/2022, 16:52:25, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                Maybe central political parties need to start listening to voter’s concerns and make their parties more attractive. Otherwise the “move towards fascism” will continue…

                  Re: Far right Italy

                  Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:54:23, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                  That's the message coming out of the Labour party conference I think?

                    Re: Far right Italy

                    Posted by mmee on 26/9/2022, 17:15:59, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                    Hopefully

                    I’m a floating voter and the last labour leader I last voted for was TB. Not happy with the Tories for the first time in ages but Labour are too woke for me to vote for (as things stand).

                      Re: Far right Italy

                      Posted by SAHB on 26/9/2022, 17:37:48, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                      Woke. Actually means to be aware and to have empathy
                      So I would hope all voters would want their party to be "woke".

                        Re: Far right Italy

                        Posted by Ok on 26/9/2022, 17:18:57, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                        I don't care who you vote for but what is your understanding of what the word " woke " means ta.

                        Many use the word but don't seem to have a clue.

                          Re: Far right Italy

                          Posted by Hoof It on 27/9/2022, 20:15:48, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                          Bit like using far right to describe a politician who believes in her country and family.

                            Re: Far right Italy

                            Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 17:20:42, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                            Why is it that no-one seems to be able (or willing) to answer that simple question?

                            And why doing good is somehow bad?

                              Re: Far right Italy

                              Posted by Ok on 26/9/2022, 17:24:05, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                              I wish I knew.

                              They use it because they read it in the daily Fail or the comic sun.

                              It's tragic really.

                      Re: Far right Italy

                      Posted by Toddingtonsteve on 26/9/2022, 16:41:34, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                      Yes, a worrying trend. I think it’s where people go when they feel insecure, and in the last few years we’ve had Covid, war in Europe and inflation eating away at earnings, so when people hear “simple” solutions they grab them.

                        Re: Far right Italy

                        Posted by Laststraw on 26/9/2022, 16:49:19, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                        It's not all doom and gloom there has been a Centre Left resurgence in many countries round the world recently.
                        Australias Labor party is very much left of centre as is New Zealand.
                        Add to that most Scandinavian countries, Germany, Portugal and Spain can be put in the same category.
                        Hopefully Italy's new governments agendas will be tempered by coalition parties.

                          Re: Far right Italy

                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 17:25:18, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                          Although Sweden just voted a right-leaning party into their coalition.

                            Re: Far right Italy

                            Posted by Laststraw on 26/9/2022, 17:28:34, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                            True but I did say most Scandinavian countries.

                              Re: Far right Italy

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 17:36:50, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                          Re: Far right Italy

                          Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:44:55, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                          Very true Steve. Fascism thrives on vulnerability (witness Germany, unemployment, poverty, loss of empire etc pre Hitler)...and we're all a bit vulnerable right now for the reasons you've mentioned.

                          Re: Far right Italy

                          Posted by no or yes on 26/9/2022, 16:29:22, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                          not as frightening as the dangerous militants taking over the Labour party if we are ever stupid enough to elect them.

                            Re: Far right Italy

                            Posted by RGDAVE on 26/9/2022, 17:10:02, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                            Blimey, you must be desperate.

                              Re: Far right Italy

                              Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:36:38, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                              The militants who are being ousted? Do keep up you silly boy.

                                Re: Far right Italy

                                Posted by another attempt on 26/9/2022, 16:34:15, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                To win the " idiot of the day award ".

                                It's so tiresome and boring.

                                Re: Far right Italy

                                Posted by Madpig on 26/9/2022, 16:24:01, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                The problem is , the further from the 1940's we move, the fainter memories become. Totalitarianism seems to be turning into a fashion

                                  Re: Far right Italy

                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 26/9/2022, 17:35:12, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                  Well we saw as recently as two years ago that people will lap it up if there is a sufficient propaganda campaign

                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                    Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 17:39:39, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                    🙄🙄🙄
                                    I wondered how long it would be before you rolled your obsession out


                                    Look, this is an interesting topic. Could you for once do the decent thing and not sidetrack it?

                                    Thanks.

                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 26/9/2022, 18:03:40, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                      I know it's my obsession but it's also a relevant point to this discussion.

                                      The powers that now know they can 'get away with it'* if they can provide a sufficient excuse.

                                      *Ferguson's words

                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 19:20:19, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                        In what context did he use them?
                                        Please provide the source and the wider sentence(s).

                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 26/9/2022, 20:14:17, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                          This is the exact quote and some context

                                          .It is possible now to retrace what was going on in those weeks, and the weeks before. In January, members of Sage, the government’s scientific advisory group, had watched as China enacted this innovative intervention in pandemic control that was also a medieval intervention. “They claimed to have flattened the curve. I was sceptical at first. I thought it was a massive cover-up by the Chinese. But as the data accrued it became clear it was an effective policy.”
                                          Then, as infections seeded across the world, springing up like angry boils on the map, Sage debated whether, nevertheless, it would be effective here. “It’s a communist one party state, we said. We couldn’t get away with it in Europe, we thought.” In February one of those boils raged just below the Alps. “And then Italy did it. And we realised we could.”


                                          The original interview appeared in The Times and a non-paywall link can be found here

                                          https://archive.ph/uvHdS

                                          As crumpsall pointed out, I dont want to derail the thread, but I do feel that what the government realised they could 'get away with' changed with COVID and is directly related to any creeping undesirable politics we might be seeing now. Not just in the UK but Western world wide

                                            Re: Far right Italy

                                            Posted by Ok on 26/9/2022, 20:25:30, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                            So what did the government gain? ( apart from another slaughter ) in this world conspiracy to lock everyone up what was gained.

                                            On a serious note covid has really consumed you, have you sought any help for this?

                                              Re: Far right Italy

                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 26/9/2022, 21:41:24, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                              I'm not getting drawn into any COVID debates outside of the scope of the original discussion

                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                    Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:28:52, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                    Frighteningly true.

                                    Who, even ten years ago, would have foreseen the current trends - and the shadow of possible nuclear war etc?

                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                    Posted by Andy Cappucino on 26/9/2022, 16:09:14, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                    Being blind is exactly the problem and why there is a shift to nationalism. I expect the EU to try find a way of installing a pet administration.

                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                      Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:10:56, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                      The EU aren't the villains Andy. Whether you like them or not, they are not facilitators of fascism.

                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 26/9/2022, 17:11:54, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                        Agree, they certainly don't but I wonder if they inadvertently provide an element of a "common enemy" for these groups.

                                        In Italy a lot of people will have taken exception to how Italy was plundered and had to sell off so many national assets.

                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                      Posted by J Block on 26/9/2022, 15:51:28, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                      personally i don't worry about it.

                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 15:57:13, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                        Well, that's no bad thing I guess. I do though.

                                        I was taken by something very simple I heard recently about what we can do to protect our democracy: 'use it or lose it'.

                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                          Posted by JAFC on 26/9/2022, 16:07:58, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                          Well you should respect Italy’s democratic right to vote for a right wing government rather than branding it fascist.

                                            Re: Far right Italy

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:15:19, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                            I haven't branded it fascist. Please read my post properly and don't misrepresent it.

                                            But even the Mail is calling it the 'most right wing since Mussolini': here's their headline about it.

                                            Giorgia Meloni, set to become first female PM of Italy will be country's most right-wing leader since Mussolini, with Marine Le Pen and Viktor Orban leading celebrations among Europe's far-right

                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                      Posted by What could go wrong on 26/9/2022, 15:34:22, in reply to "Far right Italy"

                                      We don't have to look far.

                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                        Posted by Why? on 26/9/2022, 15:35:37, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                        Where you looking?

                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                          Posted by USA on 26/9/2022, 15:37:40, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                          Brazil.
                                          Hungary.

                                          Don't get paranoid about our clowns. ( they don't know what they are ) apart from clowns.

                                            Re: Far right Italy

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 15:55:46, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                            'Our' clowns are opening the door to the philosophy of fascism though. By undermining parliamentary democracy, attacking the judiciary and civil service etc. No fascists would openly get the time of day in the UK I imagine - but worldwide their tactics are very different these days, operating under the radar and the cover of 'popularism'.

                                            Worrying times, I'd suggest.

                                              Re: Far right Italy

                                              Posted by Hmmmm on 26/9/2022, 16:04:20, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                              As soon as a group claims they'll sort growing immigration, they gain popularity. Unfortunately these people are often called out as racist, when clearly the majority aren't. It still fuels a them against us attitude though and helps no one.

                                                Re: Far right Italy

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 17:40:11, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                She'll change her mind once she runs it past her thinktank.

                                                  Re: Far right Italy

                                                  Posted by Burnside on 26/9/2022, 18:37:56, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                  Italy 31stnmost safe country in world ..way safer than UK....violent crime rare ...unlike the UK..imrest my case ..

                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                    Posted by What are you trying to on 26/9/2022, 18:42:52, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                    Post dummy?

                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                      Posted by Liar Spotter on 26/9/2022, 18:41:56, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                      Italy United Kingdom
                                                      Crime Index: 47.12 46.79
                                                      Safety Scale: 52.88 53.21

                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                    Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:17:23, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                    Fear of the 'outsider' (not our one!): the classic way to detract blame from their own failings.

                                                    I wonder how Truss's suggestion that she will relax rules about immigration will go down with the rank and file?

                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                      Posted by Stats entertainment on 26/9/2022, 18:12:43, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                      Maybe Italians want to keep their culture ..and not become another country of lawlessness ..italy crime rate very low compared to UK .

                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                        Posted by Fact Check on 26/9/2022, 18:27:12, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                        Italy has a higher crime rate than the UK:

                                                        Italy United Kingdom
                                                        Crime Index: 47.12 46.79
                                                        Safety Scale: 52.88 53.21

                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                        Posted by Laststraw on 26/9/2022, 16:57:04, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                        Probably not very well, replacing white Eastern European workers with brown Asian workers.

                                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                                          Posted by Hmmmm on 26/9/2022, 16:29:13, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                          I don't see a fear of the outsider as a huge thing.
                                                          I see for all the good immigration has done(NHS workers for example) I see all the crime it also brings.
                                                          If Truss goes too gentle towards immigration, it will lead to more support for smaller right wing political parties.

                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                        Posted by USA on 26/9/2022, 16:01:32, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                        Very true.

                                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                                          Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:09:44, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                          It's what Trump and MAGA are doing in the states, isn't it. The physical attack on the Capital, the refusal to accept the results of a democratic vote, the campaign against the 'MSM'...and focussing on the targets the modern fascists aim at: liberalism and feminism (as per the abortion issue). Promoting fear of 'the great replacement' and so on. Presenting lies as truth and manipulating the power of social media.

                                                          I think we need to open our eyes to what's going on right under our noses let alone in Russia, China, Turkey, Hungary Brazil, India etc. And now Italy.

                                                            Re: Far right Italy

                                                            Posted by Um on 26/9/2022, 16:35:59, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                            Blimey the US media is totally biased, Russia gate turning a blind eye to Hunter Bidens wrong doings and Hilary’s email etc, terrible.

                                                            There is a fundamental problem with postal voting on mass it can be manipulated, more so than in person voting done properly anyway.

                                                              Re: Far right Italy

                                                              Posted by Looking In on 26/9/2022, 16:41:02, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                              Another contender for looney of the day

                                                                Re: Far right Italy

                                                                Posted by Um on 26/9/2022, 16:46:12, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                All stated facts mate except PV, so what’s your point!

                                                                  Re: Far right Italy

                                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 17:31:03, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                  Prove it.

                                                                  And the Republicans closed polling stations in poor, majority black constituencies to rig the vote.

                                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                                    Posted by Well, well on 26/9/2022, 17:36:10, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                    Someone's way off the mark.

                                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                                      Posted by Wet Wipe Spotter on 26/9/2022, 18:37:28, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                      Dry your eyes, no-mark

                                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                                        Posted by Wet wipe spotter on 26/9/2022, 19:01:10, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                        Wet wipe.

                                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 26/9/2022, 17:43:00, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                        You are, yes.

                                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                                      Posted by Well on 26/9/2022, 16:54:01, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                      Let's start at the bias of the press. ( can you elaborate )

                                                                      I presume you are ok with the British press being In bed with these kernts?

                                                                      Hunter Biden? What's that about coco?

                                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                                    Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:38:14, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                    Thanks for that MAGAman....

                                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                                      Posted by Um on 26/9/2022, 16:44:19, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                      Not at all mate just stating facts, as have been proven all except postal voting which is an opinion I’ve always held.

                                                                        Re: Far right Italy

                                                                        Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:46:35, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                        They're not 'facts' mate. They're elements of the MAGA agenda based on scraps of fact (apart from the postal voting claim for which there is no evidence)

                                                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                                                          Posted by Um on 26/9/2022, 16:50:24, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                          So you are denying Hunter Bidens laptop with incriminating evidence on being suppressed which has now been admitted even by NY times. Russia gate total fantasy again admired by MSM and Clinton’s emails they where more worried who stole them that the damning emails themselves. I would find link but can’t be arsed.

                                                                            Re: Far right Italy

                                                                            Posted by Judge on 26/9/2022, 16:56:59, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                            When asked to provide evidence, the witness replied 'can't be arsed'.

                                                                              Re: Far right Italy

                                                                              Posted by Lol on 26/9/2022, 17:05:16, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                              Ha

                                                                              " do your own research "

                                                                              Classic fruit + nut syndrome.

                                                                              Re: Far right Italy

                                                                              Posted by Well on 26/9/2022, 16:55:20, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                              don't answer above.

                                                                              You win today's prize.

                                                                                Re: Far right Italy

                                                                                Posted by crumpsall on 26/9/2022, 16:53:36, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                                No, I'm neither interested in or giving credibility to the accusations made by Trumps people. They're just an attempt to detract from his own failings and crimes.

                                                                                You go along with that all you like, that's your prerogative - perhaps you think Trump and his MAGA cohorts are honest decent people?

                                                                          Re: Far right Italy

                                                                          Posted by Here we go on 26/9/2022, 16:38:09, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                          No 2 has arrived.

                                                                          The competition is fierce as normal.

                                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                                    Posted by That's on 26/9/2022, 15:47:33, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                    Looking pretty far.

                                                                  Re: Far right Italy

                                                                  Posted by J Block on 26/9/2022, 15:35:23, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                  that no good?

                                                                    Re: Far right Italy

                                                                    Posted by Bab on 26/9/2022, 19:33:47, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                    She doesn’t like minorities. As you know, we should look after the minorities.

                                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                                      Posted by J Block on 26/9/2022, 19:41:12, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                      if you say so

                                                                      Re: Far right Italy

                                                                      Posted by If you have to ask.... on 26/9/2022, 15:44:36, in reply to "Re: Far right Italy"

                                                                      No.

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