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    Migrants dying

    Posted by J Block on 25/11/2021, 8:02:38

    France is a safe country, why come here? Why risk your life in freezing cold water? How have all these migrants that are so 'desperate' got thousands of pounds to give to the gangsters that are bringing them over?

    We've got enough genuine people living in poverty and are homeless in these country.

      Re: Migrants dying

      Posted by Bob on 25/11/2021, 11:34:18, in reply to "Migrants dying"

      What sort of human being are you, the day after 30 desperate people die you are on about genuine people that is sick. For the record we had net migration of 34,000 last year, way below most of comparable European countries. Countries like Lebanaon have one third of their population who are refugees. Turkey, Pakistan Iran have around 3-4million each. Fortunately they have enough decent people to help others. We have created most of the underlying issues by the shock and awe of blowing apart Iraq, invading Afghanistan for the forth time, drawing square line boundaries all over the middle East, deciding to chuck Palestinians out of their home land, treating Africa and Asia economic sweatshops, with the IMF and other Uk run bodies forcing them to buy oil in dollars. We stole 95bn from the caribbean through slavery, 50bn from the Asian subcontinent though colonial invasion and got knws how much from Africa. We have caused serious ecological devastation in many countries by carbon and resource consumption. These people have lost everything, they speak English we have imposed it as the global language by empire. I work with the these bedraggled people. They just want a piece of hope and maybe to see where all their labour, imposed debt and often their western supported corrupt leaders dirty money goes. Having people going on about who is genuine and who is not the day after this tragedy articulately expresses the UK. They will not stop coming, Europe has taken it's fair share, we have turned our backs. When our government takes an even more authoritarian turn no one will want us.

        Re: Migrants dying

        Posted by The Questioner on 25/11/2021, 15:08:53, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

        Donít be confused by migration and illegal immigrants . I think itís easy to work out why our migrations numbers where so low last year .
        The worrying issue is why the amount of people coming here illegally by boat has risen from just over 2k in 2019 to over 25k ytd . Tenfold increase in 2 years .
        If it continued at that rate we would have 250k in 2023 and 2.5m in 2025 . This of course doesnít include those immigrants going through the proper channels . I think we currently accept approx 50% of those claiming asylum.

          Re: Migrants dying

          Posted by Music Critic on 25/11/2021, 13:50:30, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

          Plus, regardless of the immigration issue, the 5% most wealthy take about 90% of the pie*, leaving the rest of us to fight over the remaining 10% and the crumbs. Leading people, who should be united in directing their anger upwards, to instead direct their anger sideways and downwards - to others who are also struggling for a living and making ends meet




          *I certainly don't have an issue with folk being successful and having a few quid but when you have more money than you could ever spend if you lived for hundreds of years, then that can't be right and is also bad for the wider economy (except for banks and hedge funds) as that money is not circulating properly

            Re: Migrants dying

            Posted by crumpsall on 25/11/2021, 12:57:28, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

            Well said Bob.

            You'll give the right wing loons a stroke saying that (the truth).

              Re: Migrants dying

              Posted by Agadoo on 25/11/2021, 12:16:40, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

              So you're saying everyone of them is in exactly the same situation and we're to blame for everything?

              Shut up.

                Re: Migrants dying

                Posted by Bless on 25/11/2021, 12:18:18, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                No, you're right. They're all young males. They're all economic migrants. They're all terrorists in the making. They're all coming here to get benefits.

                  Re: Migrants dying

                  Posted by Agadoo on 25/11/2021, 12:54:30, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                  Are they? Blimey.someone should put a stop to that then.

                Re: Migrants dying

                Posted by J Block on 25/11/2021, 11:54:20, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                France is a very large safe country, no need to risk lives coming here.

                Re: Migrants dying

                Posted by Brexiter on 25/11/2021, 8:46:18, in reply to "Migrants dying"

                If the UK/french wanted to stop the trafficing and these deaths they would agree that all the people on the boats and those that reach the uk via this route would immediately be returned to france.

                Once that is implemented the boats and deaths would stop.

                In return the uk should process more immigrants and take more from france.

                Sadly for political reasons the French/UK won't implement the solution.

                  Re: Migrants dying

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:23:14, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                  Before Brexit, they could be returned to France. Now we've got are country back, we can't because we're no longer a member of the EU.

                  By the way, one of the people crossing (yes, "migrants" are people) was an Afghan soldier who had worked with UK troops. He probably thought he would be welcomed here.

                    Re: Migrants dying

                    Posted by The Cruiser on 25/11/2021, 12:14:22, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                    Trying to tie Brexit into this issue is a little dishonest.

                    Pre Brexit those crossing the Channel in boats and hidden in the back of lorries could be returned to France under the terms of the Dublin Convention.

                    The reality is though that this piece of legislation was very rarely used so Brexit has had very little effect. The fact that we are no longer party to the Dublin Convention isn't a significant factor in this.

                      Re: Migrants dying

                      Posted by jimmyp on 25/11/2021, 13:35:23, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                      "a little dishonest" by comparison to the absolute WHOPPER that by leaving the EU unchecked immigration would cease. And that was from those who were honest enough to admit that that's why they voted leave.

                      Cheers, Jim

                        Re: Migrants dying

                        Posted by The Cruiser on 25/11/2021, 13:49:27, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                        Anybody who believed that unchecked immigration from the EU would cease post Brexit is more than a little naive.
                        This is a complex problem which will only be sorted out if and when countries see it for the humanitarian tragedy that it is show political will, and act together to solve the issue.
                        Yeah, right.

                          Re: Migrants dying

                          Posted by jimmyp on 25/11/2021, 13:51:19, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                          Call them fucking thickos, mate, it's much more fun.

                          Cheers, Jim

                            Re: Migrants dying

                            Posted by The Cruiser on 25/11/2021, 14:13:19, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                            You have a valid point.

                      Re: Migrants dying

                      Posted by Andy Cappucino on 25/11/2021, 10:18:51, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                      And the French are taking advantage of that, effectively dumping migrants on the UK that they don't want.

                        Re: Migrants dying

                        Posted by nev the bear on 25/11/2021, 10:34:41, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                        these people only want to live in the U.K if itwas just a safe haven they are looking for why travel across a peaceful and free europe.

                          Re: Migrants dying

                          Posted by Strange that on 25/11/2021, 10:44:01, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                          Why would they want to live here? How would it BENEFIT them.

                            Re: Migrants dying

                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 10:43:59, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                            Family members here already?
                            Being able to speak English, (the world's most common second language)?

                              Re: Migrants dying

                              Posted by Strange that on 25/11/2021, 10:45:23, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                              Naive, nice sentiment but naive.

                                Re: Migrants dying

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 11:09:35, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                Really?

                                  Re: Migrants dying

                                  Posted by nev the bear on 25/11/2021, 10:53:41, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                  they live in camps in France, then complain about living in Army barracks in the U.K.

                            Re: Migrants dying

                            Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:26:51, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                            https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1637831558.html

                              Re: Migrants dying

                              Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:41:18, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                              Not me

                              Re: Migrants dying

                              Posted by Lee Henfield on 25/11/2021, 9:26:12, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                              First paragraph simply not true Iím afraid.

                            Re: Migrants dying

                            Posted by Forever luton on 25/11/2021, 8:40:16, in reply to "Migrants dying"

                            There is a difference between migrants and people fleeing their lives don't you think? The whole thing is a complete #### up with both sides of the channel Blaming each other, Goodness knows how this could be sorted fairly?

                              Re: Migrants dying

                              Posted by HH on 25/11/2021, 8:43:23, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                              Both sides need to take a lot of responsibility on this, both posturing to their intended audiences.

                              Work together, build processing centres in France where they can apply for asylum in the UK or France. Those then granted asylum will have a safe passage across.

                              That strikes me a sensible option but instead I fear the two sides will continue the rhetoric, blaming each other, refusing to take responsibility until more people drown and the situation worsens.

                                Re: Migrants dying

                                Posted by Remoaner on 25/11/2021, 9:07:48, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                The delicious irony of it all of course being that it was easier to return the migrants to France when we were in the EU

                                The law of unintended consequences

                                  Re: Migrants dying

                                  Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 9:30:15, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                  Can you prove that?

                                  Nah, didn't think so.

                                    Re: Migrants dying

                                    Posted by NorthantsHatter on 25/11/2021, 9:24:39, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                    Don't suppose for a second you are correct either factually or anecdotally...but for good measure shut up you nonce!

                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                      Posted by Remoaner on 25/11/2021, 9:30:47, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                      I think you'll find it was. It was reported on the R4 Today program this morning. The Tory spokesman being interviewed didn't deny it.

                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                        Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 9:52:30, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                        Didn't say it was correct either, did he.

                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                          Posted by Question on 25/11/2021, 9:53:53, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                          How would you know what was said on a programme you didn't listen to?

                                            Re: Migrants dying

                                            Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 10:01:52, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                            I'm right though

                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                              Posted by Remoaner on 25/11/2021, 10:02:44, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                              Err, no. Youíre not.

                                                Re: Migrants dying

                                                Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 10:15:03, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                I am. If I wasn't you'd have proved otherwise.

                                                  Re: Migrants dying

                                                  Posted by Remoaner on 25/11/2021, 10:25:26, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                  He admitted it J Block mate. He tried to dress it up with a few nuances but he basically admitted it. Sorry and all that.

                                                    Re: Migrants dying

                                                    Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 10:50:20, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                    Basically admitted it? So he didn't actually admit it then.
                                                    I win

                                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                                      Posted by Remoaner on 25/11/2021, 10:55:33, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                      You're not very good at this, are you?
                                                      Did you listen to it J Block mate? I'm right, you're wrong, and you know it

                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:29:15, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                        Just shows how ignorant you are.

                                        Now we're not part of the EU, it's not so easy to for anyone to move or be moved there from here.
                                        https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-do-migrants-cross-the-channel-and-why-cant-the-uk-return-them-to-france-gqhnrwcwx

                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                          Posted by NorthantsHatter on 25/11/2021, 9:38:53, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                          Shows how deluded you are if you really believe that,if true, it would make one iota of difference...that our 'partners' across the Channel would dutifully take back illegal migrants who'd left their shores.

                                          Sorry, but get real.

                                            Re: Migrants dying

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:41:58, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                            Under Freedom of Movement it would have been harder to refuse entry.

                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                              Posted by NorthantsHatter on 25/11/2021, 9:45:10, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                              What are you talking about, they are not EU citizens so are not included in FoM.

                                            Re: Migrants dying

                                            Posted by Yeah but on 25/11/2021, 9:30:46, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                            Guff.

                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:32:43, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                              So the truth is guff when it contradicts your beliefs.
                                              Sorry chum.

                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                              Posted by Lee Henfield on 25/11/2021, 9:30:24, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                              Again, simply not true NaG.

                                                Re: Migrants dying

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:33:20, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                So why would the Times be lying?

                                                  Re: Migrants dying

                                                  Posted by Lee Henfield on 25/11/2021, 9:35:42, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                  Same reason as you I guess (whatever reason that may be)?

                                                  https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/02/home-office-spent-almost-9m-on-deportation-charter-flights-in-2020

                                                    Re: Migrants dying

                                                    Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:36:40, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                    Boom!!

                                                    Lee has had NaG on toast there

                                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                                      Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:43:16, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                      Not me. Imposter

                                                    Re: Migrants dying

                                                    Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:34:05, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                    Hmmm let me thinkÖ

                                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                                      Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:42:52, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                      Imposter

                                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:36:23, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                        You do know which party and beliefs the Times follows, don't you?
                                                        It's more likely to follow the line of "being swamped by illegals"

                                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                                          Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:37:41, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                          They follow the persuasion of the Editor like all of the gutter press

                                                            Re: Migrants dying

                                                            Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:43:43, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                            Imposter again

                                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:40:50, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                              Yes, so why would they be relating a fact (that people seeking asylum could be returned to France when we were part of the EU than now)?

                                                              Unless the editor's found a conscience.

                                                  Re: Migrants dying

                                                  Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:12:38, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                  The EU have sat on their hands on this for years. Italy and Greece pleaded for years for help but nothing happened. Migrants were therefore processed and released into Europe - word of which got back and increased the flow. The EU should have set up a system for processing migrants and distributing them fairly around the EU and any other country who wanted to help. But because of the views of Poland, Hungary and others no such plan was put into place. So people have been left to wander the EU with traffickers and slavers profiting.

                                                  Aid to the developing world is essential. Projects should have been increased to help build infrastructure, etc, conflicts permitting.

                                                    Re: Migrants dying

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:31:25, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                    That still doesn't alter the fact that they could be returned to France more easily before the U.K. cut off its nose to spite its face.

                                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                                      Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:48:33, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                      You've commented on the end part. I'm saying it only got to this stage becasue of the lack of EU action in the first place.

                                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                                        Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:33:02, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                        Oh give over, youíre boring now. If it was that easy why didnít it happen BEFORE Brexit?

                                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                                          Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:42:07, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                          Not me

                                                            Re: Migrants dying

                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 9:43:04, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                            Thought it sounded a bit unlike you.

                                                              Re: Migrants dying

                                                              Posted by RADSB on 25/11/2021, 9:44:43, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                              The 9.12 post is the only one on the subject by me.

                                                                Re: Migrants dying

                                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 25/11/2021, 10:22:03, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"


                                                                I didn't think the others were your usual thoughtful style.

                                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                                        Posted by Builders choice on 25/11/2021, 9:22:05, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                        You have to accept that some countries like Poland and Hungary are not such a soft touch and maybe see the bigger picture, you only have to look at countries like Belgium and Sweden.

                                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                                          Posted by KS on 25/11/2021, 9:18:59, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                          Perhaps the unelected bureaucrats weren't quite as omnipotent as they were cracked up to be.

                                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                                        Posted by Forever luton on 25/11/2021, 8:48:40, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                        Thing is though if they are not granted asylum they will still probably try and cross anyway but i suppose at least the numbers would be down?

                                                          Re: Migrants dying

                                                          Posted by Noddy on 25/11/2021, 9:27:58, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

                                                          A fair asylum system would include rapid repatriation of failed claimants as a final stage. Unfortunately a lot of the claimants are not honest about what country they come from - that twerp who blew himself up in liverpool for example is believed to have been Jordanian but claimed he was Iraqi.

                                                          I genuinely don't know what can be done with someone who has effectively made themselves stateless. They can't be deported anywhere and neither britain or france has any desire to keep them. It's this group that I think cause the current problems.

                                                          There's plenty of work government could do closer to home as well. The areas of the economy that thrive on illegal immigration could and should be closed down. This might mean a few people having to wash their own cars and get used to paying a bit more to get their nails done.

                                                      Re: Migrants dying

                                                      Posted by Bless on 25/11/2021, 8:04:24, in reply to "Migrants dying"

                                                      Here fishy...

                                                        Re: Migrants dying

                                                        Posted by J Block on 25/11/2021, 9:28:37, in reply to "Re: Migrants dying"

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