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    Cruelty

    Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 17:51:58

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-59406047

    Losing count of the amount of stories lately in the news of unimaginable acts of cruelty by humans towards other humans. There really are some truly terrible people out there. I wish I knew how to stop it, it makes me sick.

      Re: Cruelty

      Posted by Godders on 24/11/2021, 20:08:23, in reply to "Cruelty"

      Words fail me.

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        Posted by E1 on 24/11/2021, 20:02:52, in reply to "Cruelty"

        Life without parole or privileges.

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          Posted by Abbott on 24/11/2021, 18:58:09, in reply to "Cruelty"

          Words fail me, very upsetting. I couldn't finish reading the article.

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            Posted by baz on 24/11/2021, 18:51:13, in reply to "Cruelty"

            Absolutely repulsive to read that parents could treat their own child that way.

            As someone who lost my baby son 12 months ago it makes my blood boil to read this and see the total disregard of another human life.

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              Posted by Godders on 24/11/2021, 20:11:14, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

              So sorry to hear that. I can't begin to imagine what that feels like for you.

                Re: Cruelty

                Posted by E1 on 24/11/2021, 20:02:11, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                Mate, I’m so sorry to hear that you lost your baby. My condolences and kindest wishes to you and your partner.

                  Re: Cruelty

                  Posted by Music Critic on 24/11/2021, 19:43:47, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                  As someone who lost my baby son 12 months ago...

                  I am so very sorry for your loss

                  Most of us feel anger when reading stuff like what happened to that poor boy but your anger must be especially sharp after what you've been through

                    Re: Cruelty

                    Posted by baz on 24/11/2021, 20:51:00, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                    Thank you. Fortunately a network of friends, family and speaking to others who have experienced the same has been a big comfort to us.

                      Re: Cruelty

                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 24/11/2021, 21:48:29, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                      I'm so sorry. Condolences to you and yours. (())

                  Re: Cruelty

                  Posted by Music Critic on 24/11/2021, 18:22:19, in reply to "Cruelty"

                  Absolutely disgusting. The poor, poor lad

                  If they are found guilty perhaps those kunts responsible might find their own version of cruelty visited upon them in jail

                  I dunno if grandparents are still around but why didn't somebody, anybody intervene? Police, social services, school. The system (coupled with what the prosecution say is kunting scumbag parents - and it probably is that) fails another poor, abused child

                    Re: Cruelty

                    Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 18:25:25, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                    There has to be something actually wrong with people who can do this sort of thing, it isn't normal. What is it exactly that makes people behave like this? And how can it be treated so as to stop it from happening in the first place? It must be possible.

                      Re: Cruelty

                      Posted by Music Critic on 24/11/2021, 18:34:42, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                      There's definitely something wrong with them. The sadistic, bullying, cowardly bastards

                      It's similar to scum who abuse animals. It's a power and control thing. And they think they can do anything they like with that power

                      I fear there is nothing that can be done except good people intervening and saving these kids (and animals and adults) when they suspect or see this shit going on

                      In the same week where Kevin Sinfield showed the good that human beings can do for one another, we then have this horrific story

                        Re: Cruelty

                        Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 18:43:57, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                        Every time I see something like this it's like a reminder that we are still living in the dark ages when it comes to understanding human behaviour. We're no closer to actually dealing with the problem, since the advent of history we haven't developed at all in this regard. That's not good enough. We need to start investing in research to actually begin to be able to address this. We can find literally trillions on destroying each other with ever more advanced weaponry. How about spending that money on figuring out what is wrong with us that makes us spend that much on weaponry? There is something wrong with humans.

                          Re: Cruelty

                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 24/11/2021, 19:24:05, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                          The most frightening thing is probably not how different they are but how similar. For example, lots of evidence showing how minor changes in brain chemistry can cause incredible behavioural changes turning people sometimes 180 degrees from their previous patterns.

                          But . . . like it or not this level of suffering is borne by large amounts of the world's population while we do almost nothing.

                          So I agree with your conclusion notwithstanding that we are capable of amazingly brilliant, generous and inspirational things too.

                            Re: Cruelty

                            Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 19:29:57, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                            Don't you think it must be possible to get to a point where we understand enough about the causes of this type of behaviour that we can prevent it from happening? I think it's a cop out when people say it's just the way it is. There must be a way to improve things, even if it takes an incredible amount of money, time and intelligence, it must be possible.

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                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 24/11/2021, 19:33:22, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                              It kind of must be possible. Though I think despite a lot of fine minds and research we are so far probably just scratching the surface.

                              Here's the thing though. Scientists discover that a certain gene combination causes vast increases in the likelihood of such behaviour. What do you do with that knowledge? how do you manage it? I think that would be when it got really difficult.

                                Re: Cruelty

                                Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 19:47:24, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                It is weird that in all the time since the beginning of history, we have developed so many technological advancements but simultaneously stood still with our inability to curb our propensity for cruelty. Maybe it is impossible. Or maybe in order to fix it we would need to change everything including our physical form and move towards a post-human era. Regarding your moral dilemma I suppose it's better to breed out the propensity for cruelty if possible if there isn't any way to alter the 'bad' genes so they no longer cause bad behaviour. Like I said, we're still in the dark ages with all this, and massively ignorant about what to do about it.

                                  Re: Cruelty

                                  Posted by Godders on 24/11/2021, 20:17:11, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                  As much as I'm with you all the way on this I work with kids with some incredibly difficult needs and I sometimes fear for their futures. There's nowhere near enough resources to help them let alone wider research. And, for example, the Edwin Lobo centre, there's something like a year's backlock of children awaiting diagnosis for things like ASD, ADD, ADHD etc. It is desperately under resourced and yes, as you tragically point out, we can easily find the eye watering sums to threaten to blow each other to pieces. A truly staggeringly sad set of priorities.

                                    Re: Cruelty

                                    Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 20:24:32, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                    I'd argue the reason the priorities regarding funding are all wrong are precisely because of the thing that is wrong with humanity isn't challenged enough by the thing that is right with humanity. In other words it's a self fulfilling set of circumstances which makes it all the more important that more is done to get to the root cause of the propensity for cruelty. You can see it everywhere including in some of the comments in the thread above about the drowned souls. I really think we are living in a very dark time and without focused effort it won't change.

                                      Re: Cruelty

                                      Posted by Godders on 24/11/2021, 20:38:22, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                      Indeed. The human propensity to f*ck things up as described by Francis Spufford in all its devastating glory.

                                        Re: Cruelty

                                        Posted by Mahatma Gander on 24/11/2021, 22:43:37, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                        I'm afraid much of it comes down to the fact that we naturally prioritise ourselves, our own needs, above others. I totally share your feelings about those kids but compared to much of the world's population as I keep mentioning we live in absolute luxury. The fact that we even consider that such things are a problem would likely be astonishing to many. Our way of life is hugely selfish and currently bound to, in all likelihood bring to an end most if not all life on earth within a few generations.

                                        And yet, while it is a major news story it is being ignored. The reason for that is not that fixing it it is impossible, not that it is even impractical, just that it would mean us making a level of sacrifice. The crazy thing is that the sacrifice required would still see us living in more comfortable times than at almost any time in human history bar the relatively recent. But, it means us making sacrifice for future generations, and I don't even mean the distant future. This will have significant impact on anyone living more than the next 5-10 years and massive impact on people living longer than that.

                                        If we think immigration is bad now just wait until the effects of climate change become more impactful and we will have our own hands full trying to stop some big parts of the UK being underwater, food supplies and so on. And yet, we here, now, could prevent that for our children and our grandchildren.

                                        I wonder how we'll explain it to them . . .

                                          Re: Cruelty

                                          Posted by Godders on 24/11/2021, 23:13:22, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                          Very well put.

                                  Re: Cruelty

                                  Posted by Music Critic on 24/11/2021, 19:46:12, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                                  Scientists discover that a certain gene combination causes vast increases in the likelihood of such behaviour. What do you do with that knowledge? how do you manage it? I think that would be when it got really difficult.

                                  Exactly right. Managing that information presents as many, if not more, moral questions than answers

                      Re: Cruelty

                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 24/11/2021, 18:07:20, in reply to "Cruelty"

                      Made me emotional if I'm honest, absolutely disgusting. That poor boy

                        Re: Cruelty

                        Posted by since 63 on 24/11/2021, 18:01:14, in reply to "Cruelty"

                        the human race can be very wicked not only to other humans but all living creatures, it is very historic and dates back many thousands of years. we also have many humans that go the extra extra mile to give and show kindness to their fellow humans and all living creatures. in some countries around the globe life is a very cheap commodity.

                          Re: Cruelty

                          Posted by Crème Brûlée on 24/11/2021, 18:06:14, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                          I accept there are a lot of absolutely brilliant people, agreed. What I struggle with is how and why there are also so many people who are so completely and utterly fukked up beyond anything that I would even think was possible if I hadn't been made aware of it. There really is something dreadfully wrong that we still have little to no real understanding of how to fix. Like I said, I wish I knew how to stop it, genuinely.

                          Re: Cruelty

                          Posted by Ramridge Raider on 24/11/2021, 18:01:11, in reply to "Cruelty"

                          That is a heartbreaking story.

                            Re: Cruelty

                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 24/11/2021, 18:57:34, in reply to "Re: Cruelty"

                            Absolutely. Poor little mite.

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