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    Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

    Posted by Peter Griffin on 12/10/2021, 9:48:31

    Footballers demand compensation over 'data misuse' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58873132

      Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

      Posted by Cybermat on 12/10/2021, 15:16:07, in reply to "Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

      The lawyer is that serial screwer up of clubs- most recently Charlton. Looks like itís a competitive move not altruistic or on behalf of players. Whiffy

        Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

        Posted by Andy Cappucino on 12/10/2021, 11:09:08, in reply to "Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

        I wanted to take issue with this but if the data consists of X Player made 70 per cent successful passes over a season for example, then they probably have a valid case. Work performance related data must be personal surely?

          Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

          Posted by HH on 12/10/2021, 10:41:12, in reply to "Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

          I don't know what sort of data they're referring to. Is how many passes a player makes really something which would fall under GDPR?

          "If you were in another job, if you were a teacher of a lawyer and this sort of details was being passed around your field of work it wouldn't sit right with that person." My gut reaction is I'm not sure that metaphor works. If these players want compensation or a fee if betting companies are using some of their data doesn't that raise other ethical issues?

            Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

            Posted by jimmyp on 12/10/2021, 10:47:46, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

            It does and doesn't.

            Tens of thousands, or millions even, of people don't watch a teacher do their job, true. But then everyone who watches a football player do their job has paid to do so (or is being paid to do so for the inevitable div who wants to miss the point but argue something anyway). Isn't this just an extension of that?

            Cheers, Jim

              Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

              Posted by HH on 12/10/2021, 11:02:37, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

              Maybe.

              I dunno, I don't really understand it, I'll happily admit that.

              If someone decides to count how many steps I've taken today do I legally own that information and data?

                Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                Posted by jimmyp on 12/10/2021, 11:15:33, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                Again, if you're being paid to take those steps in a competitive environment and everyone who witnesses it is paying (you) to do so, sure.

                Cheers, Jim

                  Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                  Posted by HH on 12/10/2021, 11:36:06, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                  But surely if people can see me do it then that data is publicly available?

                    Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                    Posted by jimmyp on 12/10/2021, 11:46:31, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                    Are you the real HH?

                    If they play in the street, that's publicly available. If they play in a venue to which you can only gain access by buying a ticket, that's not.

                    Cheers, Jim

                      Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                      Posted by HH on 12/10/2021, 12:20:00, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                      Yes, I am the real HH

                      I'm not sure why people paying to watch a game means players suddenly own the data.

                        Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                        Posted by jimmyp on 12/10/2021, 12:40:39, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                        Because it's precisely not in the 'public domain' as such. You're charging people to access this data with their eyes so why wouldn't you charge people who collate it in order to sell it on.

                        And being that this data is based on the fundamental functions of how they do they job, who else would it belong to. Who else but Ronaldo should own the rights to the data about how many stepovers he does, for example.

                        Cheers, Jim

                          Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                          Posted by HH on 12/10/2021, 12:54:54, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                          Fair point.

                          But does it not depend on who is selling the data?

                          If it is the clubs then I would suspect it might be loosely touched upon in the players contracts with the players and they are already compensated for those contractual agreements?

            Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

            Posted by Vladimir Luton on 12/10/2021, 10:31:18, in reply to "Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

            I can see where they're coming from, image rights are now part of the game when 30 years ago they weren't.
            It probably should be a thing that players have a right to be paid for. If a betting company was offering a market on the number of passes a player has made during a match or a season then the player should be compensated.

              Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

              Posted by Garstang Hatter on 12/10/2021, 10:25:07, in reply to "Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

              I can kind of understand it for lower league players - they don't get paid millions and have a short career, so they don't want to miss out on something they are owed. As the article says:

              While receiving a fee for the use of their data might not have much impact on the high earners of the Premier League, Slade feels strongly that those lower down the pyramid, in both the men's and women's game, would see tangible benefits.

              "It's incredible where it's used," Slade said. "On one player, and I'm not talking about a Premier League player or even a Championship player, there was some 7,000 pieces of information on one individual player at a lower league football club.

              "There are companies that are taking that data and processing that data without the individual consent of that player.

                Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?

                Posted by W12 Hatter on 12/10/2021, 12:29:51, in reply to "Re: Hmm not sure how I feel about this? Thoughts?"

                But where does it end? What about horse racing? "Horse X has done well in races where the going was soft but poorly when the going is firm". Should bookies have to pay the owner for the use of that information? Ditto pro cycling, F1, in fact any competitive sport.

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