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    FAO RADSB

    Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 14:34:25

    Have you ever, in all your researching, come across anything about Lancrets Path. It sits opposite the Galaxy, always caught my eye as the sign seems so old.

      Re: FAO RADSB

      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 14:41:29, in reply to "FAO RADSB"

      As far as I know, the name comes from the same root as The Lynces the (hills up by Skimpot), meaning circular paths round hills.

        Re: FAO RADSB

        Posted by since 63 on 14/9/2021, 14:50:17, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

        there is also in Kensworth a hill with similar name, Lynch hill

        Re: FAO RADSB

        Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 14:40:17, in reply to "FAO RADSB"

        Nothing at all. I just looked at the 1879 map and it's there. I recall a description of a walk around the town in the 1840's and following a footpath through blackberry bushes in that area coming out on Dunstable Road.

          Re: FAO RADSB

          Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 14:51:02, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

          Out of interest your post about Blue Plaques yesterday lead me on to your brilliant site and reading about the Alexandra Coffee Tavern. That has lead to me spending my entire lunch break (and some more) trying to find the location of it from ancestry,old newspaper archives, Goad insurance maps from 1895 and a book of old postcards from Luton that I have.

          I think, if I were a betting man, I would say it was 23 George Street, where Adecco recruitment used to be. That's based purely on a bit of a hunch and circumstantial assumptions more than anything concrete just yet....!

            Re: FAO RADSB

            Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 15:00:18, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

            Good stuff. We will track it down - a clue here and a clue there will add up to the answer. It's just that the time period between the clues can be longer than a Wycombe game.

            The Alexandra skating rink was behind the Town Hall but it seems the entrance was in Manchester Street so I discounted that as a coincidence. The owner of the Alexandra Coffee Tavern was a Mr A. Whitmee - I looked him up on Ancestry without luck. I will look at the Kelly's Trade Directory in the Central Library next time I'm in town.

              Re: FAO RADSB

              Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 15:48:53, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

              Yes, A Whitmee was declared bankrupt in 1885. (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/Edinburgh/issue/9911/page/86/data.pdf) I've had a look through the Kelly's Directories from 1885 online and couldn't find a Whitmee listed in Luton at a coffee tavern, or on George St.

              There were three coffee bars on George Street at the time according to the 1881 census. One appears to be next to the town hall, called 'The Coffee Palace' (I think this was on the right hand side as looking at it with the Belgian Arms PH the other side.) The second was where Subway now is, called the Exchange Coffee Tavern and was still in existence in the late 1890s.

              The third was 23 George St, at the time owned by a Andrew Smith. However, in 1885 Andrew Smith is, according to Kelly's Directory, now at a coffee tavern on Bute Street.

              My assumption is that Alfred Whitmee was by now running the coffee tavern at 23 George Street and this was the Alexandra Coffee Tavern. And the fact that there doesn't appear to be any record of a coffee shop there after his bankruptcy makes me think it may have been the location.

              All guess work I guess. Not really sure how to confirm it any further!?

                Re: FAO RADSB

                Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 16:11:24, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                You've done as much as you can so well done. I've looked through all my photos in vain. 23 George Street is the best bet.

                  Re: FAO RADSB

                  Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 16:23:13, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                  GET THE BLUE PLAQUE UP!

                    Re: FAO RADSB

                    Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 16:26:11, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                    Guerilla Historians could do a job - I've got a drill and tea cosy balaclava

                      Re: FAO RADSB

                      Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 16:27:01, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                Re: FAO RADSB

                Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 15:22:13, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                Alfred Whitmee. Found him but the address given in 1884 was "George Street."

                  Re: FAO RADSB

                  Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 15:50:27, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                  Very little else about him on ancestry, a few other addresses of him knocking about Havelock Road in 1882.

                  Ancestry seems to think he might be Alfred Whittnell
                  born in Cranfield in 1852. I was hoping he may have had a mother or wife called Alexandra but that would have been too easy!

                    Re: FAO RADSB

                    Posted by OldHat on 14/9/2021, 18:17:05, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                    According to this, Alfred Whitmee married a Clara Buckmaster Chambers and she died in 1912

                    The name also appears to have been spelt wrongly as Whitmel in 1881 and as Whitmer in 1871

                    Looks like he was something to do with Travellers and Circus folk, so could turn up anywhere!

                    Link: RootsChat circus

                      Re: FAO RADSB

                      Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 18:57:05, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                      Excellent research, thanks. If ever you want to do more for my website or Hatters’Heritage then let me know. You can do it whenever you like so zero pressure or deadlines. No need to answer right now.

                        Re: FAO RADSB

                        Posted by HH on 14/9/2021, 18:37:14, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                        Good find that, thank you!

                        That would make sense as there is a Alfred Whitmel listed on the 1881 census at 86 Wenlock Street as a grocer and beer retailer. He obviously packed the alcohol in to jump onboard the Temperance movement.

                        By 1887 he's living at 13 Oxford Street, Luton and when he's declared bankrupt he's living in Bootle.

                        Seems he died in 1919 at 18 Leamington Street, Chorlton.

                        As RADSB says something on his site which might reference the financial issues the Coffee Tavern and Mr Whitmee were facing:

                        On 2nd November The Alexandra Coffee Tavern requested that the club pay 2/- per night for the room for their committee meetings. This was thought to be an attempt to take a mean advantage of the club and they would speak to Mr Whitmee, the manager about this.

                        The following week Mr Whitmee would not take less than 1/6 per night so the committee said they would not use the tavern again. The bill was received from Mr Spratley for the Guernsey shirt and ordered to be paid.

                        Re: FAO RADSB

                        Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 16:21:21, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                        Yes, I've suffered from that too.

                          Re: FAO RADSB

                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 16:36:18, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                          Could it have been named after the future Queen Alexandra?

                            Re: FAO RADSB

                            Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 16:43:17, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                            Could be. Queen Victoria's first name was Alexandrina.

                              Re: FAO RADSB

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 17:03:51, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                              That's true.

                  Re: FAO RADSB

                  Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 14:46:59, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                  I did a google/wiki search and found a couple of famous frenchies from the 1700's and 1800's with that name. Strange to have a street named after a Frenchmen when so many around it celebrate battles against them.
                  Not heard of The Lynces though...

                    Re: FAO RADSB

                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 14:56:11, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                    As you're driving up the M1, just before Junction 11 there is a footbridge then the Hatters Way bridge going over the motorway. The footbridge leads to the Lynces, just the name for the area of hills & fields.

                      Re: FAO RADSB

                      Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 15:14:44, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                      Thanks NAG. The way names get altered over the years could mean it's the origin.

                        Re: FAO RADSB

                        Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 15:30:38, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                        and there's more....
                        just found a book online called Luton: Market Town 1750 to 1850, and there is reference to Lancrets Meadow next to The Red Cow, leading to Upper George Street, 1820.

                          Re: FAO RADSB

                          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 15:32:30, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                          Wow!

                      Re: FAO RADSB

                      Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 14:49:55, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                      Just looked at BNA and it seems that Lancret was a house so the path was named after it. So similar to Musson's Path in High Town.

                        Re: FAO RADSB

                        Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 15:13:02, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                        Thanks RASDB, being searching around, the house on the corner of Liverpool Street and Dunstable Road was Lancrets House.

                          Re: FAO RADSB

                          Posted by crumpsall on 14/9/2021, 14:54:54, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                          I have a theory about this. It states that a space curve is a general helix if and only if its torsion and its curvature satisfy τ = c κ for some c ∈ R.

                          What do you reckon?

                            Re: FAO RADSB

                            Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 15:10:30, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                            Google is our friend.

                              Re: FAO RADSB

                              Posted by crumpsall on 14/9/2021, 15:21:35, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                              Innit!


                              It's an intriguing name and I've wondered about that path in the past.

                                Re: FAO RADSB

                                Posted by MVhatter on 14/9/2021, 15:27:13, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                                It's the fact it doesn't seem to have been 'upgraded' through the years as others have. It's RADSB's post on blue plaques reminded me of the blue sign, I should get out more....

                              Re: FAO RADSB

                              Posted by RADSB on 14/9/2021, 15:02:23, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                              If you are Crumpy then I think you might see your pet - Fluffy - again

                              http://news.sky.com/story/genetics-project-aims-to-resurrect-woolly-mammoths-within-the-next-six-years-12407694

                                Re: FAO RADSB

                                Posted by crumpsall on 14/9/2021, 15:09:13, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                                Marvellous!

                                I last saw Fluffy taking a break in Siberia....

                              Re: FAO RADSB

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 14:53:11, in reply to "Re: FAO RADSB"

                              Ok, thanks.

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