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    650 pillion pounds

    Posted by Niiick on 13/9/2021, 17:57:44

    And they mocked Diane Abbott!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58547881

      Re: 650 pillion pounds

      Posted by #### Joe Biden on 13/9/2021, 20:06:08, in reply to "650 pillion pounds"

      Who wouldn’t mock her.

        Re: 650 pillion pounds

        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:16:57, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

        People who aren't racist f###wits.

          Re: 650 pillion pounds

          Posted by #### Joe Biden on 14/9/2021, 8:18:37, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

          Oh dear

            Re: 650 pillion pounds

            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 10:15:00, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

            Oh dear indeed.

            Re: 650 pillion pounds

            Posted by Tsss on 13/9/2021, 20:28:35, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

            Hilariously crap, From a bored lefty .
            We need a far right government.
            Fact

              Re: 650 pillion pounds

              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2021, 20:52:44, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

              Just a vaguely competent government would be a big improvement.

                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:33:39, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                What for?

                If you're not happy with this government, why don't you go to Poland or Hungary?

                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                  Posted by TFR on 13/9/2021, 20:56:08, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                  Why would I ?
                  I'm a proud Englishman.

                  You're the problem.
                  You Sod off!

                  Woke filth like you

                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 21:02:31, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                    You want a far right government.
                    Very few people here do. The ones in Poland and Hungary should suit you diwn to the ground.
                    "Woke" is used by the far right to denigrate those of us who don't see people of a different nationality, skin colour and way of thinking as demons. Nor call those who think differently from ourselves as "filth".
                    Perhaps you could try to be a bit more altruistic and mindful that we are all individuals and entitled to the same respect.

            Re: 650 pillion pounds

            Posted by Stan Baker on 13/9/2021, 18:07:39, in reply to "650 pillion pounds"

            She can`t count and you can`t spell, what a couple you would make

              Re: 650 pillion pounds

              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 18:05:24, in reply to "650 pillion pounds"

              The Tories - making people poorer since 2010....

                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                Posted by Predictable Leftie Type. on 13/9/2021, 20:51:45, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                Surely Tories have ALWAYS made people poorer, remember Thatcher and Heath, and er, all the rest.

                It's part of their DNA to always make people poor.

                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                  Posted by Andy Cappucino on 13/9/2021, 18:51:02, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                  And the last two Labour governments both brought this country to the brink of financial ruin.

                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                    Posted by HH on 13/9/2021, 19:50:31, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"



                    If you believe that you'll be livid when you remove those rose tinted glasses and see the current state of things.

                    UK deficit 2010 as a % of GDP: 11.1%
                    UK deficit 2021 as a % of GDP: 14.2%
                    UK debt 2010: £1 trillion
                    UK debt 2021: £2.2 trillon

                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                      Posted by Garstang Hatter on 13/9/2021, 20:01:43, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                      Not a Tory, but I'm not sure the 2021 figures are going to be a fair reflection, are they? (Genuine question.)

                      The deficit as a % of GDP, well presumably our GDP has been lower during the pandemic?

                      The debt will presumably include costs such as the furlough scheme (and yes, other costs such as the failed track and trace system and money given to cronies, but some genuine costs too)?

                      The figures from 2019 would probably be a fairer comparison, being a more normal year.

                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                        Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:13:05, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                        Yes of course, I forgot the 2010 global pandemic

                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                          Posted by Noddy on 13/9/2021, 20:21:47, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                          You do seem to have forgotten the 2008 global financial crisis, the bailout of banks though.

                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                          Posted by HH on 13/9/2021, 20:11:02, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                          True. But I'm sure you could argue something similar about 2010's figures.

                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                          Posted by Tommy Hares rabbit on 13/9/2021, 19:59:06, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                          Oh right and there was me thinking that we are in the middle of an unprecedented pandemic which may have something to do with those figures, how silly of me.

                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                            Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 20:24:03, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                            hahahaha 'THE PANDEMIC"

                            'BLAIR'

                            'CORBYN'

                            Just as long as the Cons don't need to take responsibility for anything at all.

                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                            Posted by HH on 13/9/2021, 20:12:14, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                            Yeah. Whereas the 2008 crash wasn't a similar contributing factor either.

                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                              Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:15:28, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                              Correct, it wasn’t.

                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                Posted by HH on 13/9/2021, 20:47:18, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                Sorry, you don't think the 2008 recession saw a collapse in GDP and a rise in borrowing?

                                Have you banged your head?

                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                  Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:48:26, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                  Not in 2010 it didn’t.

                                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                    Posted by HH on 13/9/2021, 20:55:38, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                    I hope your head recovers from the bump.

                                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2021, 20:54:28, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                      You think the problems of 2008 only impacted the figures in 2008?

                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                        Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 21:08:36, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                        COVID had much greater adverse impact on GDP


                                        date smileys

                                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2021, 21:24:00, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                          There was also a small thing called Brexit to add into the mix.

                                          And let's not forget the cost side of the house where blunders / croneyism cost rather a lot of money.

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 21:26:37, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            Maybe, but nonetheless GDP was hit much harder than 2008, and certainly than 2010 per original critique.

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 13/9/2021, 21:47:22, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              Yes but Brexit is something you can attribute to the current government, or at least the part that has formed our recent governments.

                                              Anyway, what we're seeing now will look mild when the cost of climate change start adding up a bit more. Again, something this pathetic government is completely mis-managing.

                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:02:33, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                Well, in 2008 there was a global financial crash, not caused by Labour, but by American financial firms lending money to people who they knew couldn't pay it back.

                                Remember?

                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                  Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:14:51, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                  And of course the govt in 2010 furloughed everyone at a cost of hundreds of billions too, didn’t they…?

                                  Oh no, I’m mistaken.

                                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                    Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 20:26:05, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                    Perhaps you could explain which sectors were forced to shut down entirely in 2008?

                                    Whole point about furlough is it is for jobs that will still be there when the economy opens up again.

                                    Most people did not lose their jvbs in 2008 so why would they have been furloughed?

                                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                      Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:39:54, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                      None, so the govt didn’t spend hundreds of billions paying everyone to do literally nothing.

                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                        Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 20:41:58, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                        Furliough has not cost hnndreds of billions...

                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                        Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 13/9/2021, 20:32:17, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                        Sorry...

                                        Most self employed guys, on good money fell on hard times...

                                        Horses mouth...I'm afraid

                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:18:49, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                        Oh dear.

                                        You really don't understand anything at all about global events.

                                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                          Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:39:07, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                          Hahaha, that’s good! And your evidence is what, exactly?

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:47:17, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            People not understanding the cause and effects of the global financial crash in 2008.
                                            As demonstrated by so many posters on here.

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 20:51:10, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              “people not understanding the cause and effects of the global financial crash in 2008”.

                                              And how does that relate to me? You have no evidence at all for a gratuitous insult.

                                              Sloppy dear

                                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 21:06:54, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1631560491.html

                                                You didn't seem to realise that in 2010 the world had not recovered from the 2008 crash.

                                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                  Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 21:15:23, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                  Actually GDP recovered pretty quickly.

                                                  But even if you were correct - and yes, maybe even you could be occasionally - to extrapolate that into “You really don't understand anything at all about global events” is a breathtakingly arrogant statement to make about someone you’ve never met and know next to nothing about.

                                                  Which is not what I would have expected from you NaG.

                                                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                    Posted by Tommy Hares rabbit on 14/9/2021, 8:22:23, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                    Really? You obviously don’t read many of her posts then. Anyone that isn’t left wing on here gets called thick and racist by her on a regular basis.

                                                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 14/9/2021, 10:01:34, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                      Aw diddums.
                                                      If you don't want to be called racist, don't post racist stuff.

                                                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 22:03:43, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                      Fair enough.
                                                      I probably do overreact to some posts, and have bracketed you with others.
                                                      I apologise.

                                                      However, this government does not give the impression of competence nor of caring for the poorest in our country.

                                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                        Posted by Mr T on 13/9/2021, 22:28:39, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                        Thank you, apology accepted.

                                                        I agree they are a bunch of useless t*ssers. Sadly however so are your favourites.

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 20:26:31, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              Usual thickos on here...

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by Red/gold/green on 13/9/2021, 20:12:38, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            Labour and Tory are not fit, seen!

                                            Gwannn the greens!

                                            Rastafari

                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:28:38, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                        Rubbish.

                                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                          Posted by Tommy Hares rabbit on 13/9/2021, 19:32:14, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                          Yes they were but thankfully they won’t be back in government for a very long time.

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:35:49, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            No, they were not, and that claim that they bankrupted the country is pure lies, believed by fools.

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by Tommy Hares rabbit on 13/9/2021, 19:38:55, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              Oh right, if only we’re all as clever (gullible) as you.

                                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                Posted by Eh? on 13/9/2021, 19:41:31, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                Well come on then smartarse, tell us how they nearly bankrupted the country?

                                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                  Posted by Tommy Hares rabbit on 13/9/2021, 19:49:21, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                  We’ll come on then smart arse, where did I say they nearly bankrupted the country?

                                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:41:24, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                  Yes, you would be able to see through the right-wing press propaganda.

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by TruDat on 13/9/2021, 18:52:11, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            Don’t forget the illegal wars

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:31:02, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              The Conservatives voted for the Iraq war.

                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                            Posted by TruDat on 13/9/2021, 18:50:19, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                            I’ve got more money than I had in 2010

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 18:55:04, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              got more money, or earn more money?



                                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:30:01, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                "Is paid more money".
                                                And most of us receive more, thanks to inflation.

                                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                  Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 20:22:07, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                  I had more money in 2010 than I did in 1997, so using his logic the Labour govt. were a huge success.

                                                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 20:23:15, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                              Posted by Tasty Geezer. on 13/9/2021, 18:43:03, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                              So who actually gave the increase then ??

                                              I guess you believe that furlough should go on for ever as well ??

                                                Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                Posted by EastEnder on 13/9/2021, 18:55:28, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                Yes, like all Labour voters do, you thick twat.

                                                  Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                  Posted by Widescreen on 13/9/2021, 19:19:01, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                  Oh the irony of that lefty money tree comment.

                                                    Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 13/9/2021, 19:34:15, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                    So where did this government get the money for furloughing and upgrading Universal Credit and paying restaurants etc. for "eat out to help out"? Down the back of Johnson's sofa?
                                                    Oh no, can't be that, he can't manage on his £150,000 salary and tied house.

                                                      Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                      Posted by Suffolk Punch on 13/9/2021, 20:34:25, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                      Oh dear...

                                                      Threads like this which contain such blinkered arguments (from both sides) are one of the main reasons I refrain from engaging these days.

                                                        Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                        Posted by Maillot Jaune on 13/9/2021, 21:12:47, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                        +1

                                                          Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                          Posted by Cop on 13/9/2021, 22:11:58, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                          +2 Gave up trying to has reason debate on this as usually the only come backs are name calling and ignoring questions!

                                                            Re: 650 pillion pounds

                                                            Posted by Wishy Washy Lefty Liberal Type on 13/9/2021, 22:18:35, in reply to "Re: 650 pillion pounds"

                                                            Yep.

                                                            Strange though that it’s always the right wing thicko types getting it wrong. Read above for conclusive evidence.

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