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    Human rights

    Posted by bbb on 20/7/2021, 20:31:13

    From September you won't be allowed to enter a nightclub without being double jabbed.
    I imagine any major event, football for example, where theres a gathering of people, will follow suit.
    Slightly ironic that the government has frowned upon the use of experimental drugs in clubs for decades yet now won't allow you in without doing exactly that.

      Re: Human rights

      Posted by jimmyp on 20/7/2021, 23:36:21, in reply to "Human rights "

      And yet, you'd still have to quarantine if you'd been in France just for example.

      I'm sorry, Bozo, this is your only plan. Well, that and just not giving a shit. Not really consistent with either.

      Cheers, Jim

        Re: Human rights

        Posted by bbb on 21/7/2021, 0:24:30, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

        Freedom day was ace though eh?

        Couldn't go abroad, still can't.
        Couldn't go on public transport without a mask, still can't.
        Couldn't go to a big event unless double jabbed, still can't.

        But I can now go to the bar in my local boozer, meaning the bird with great tits that works there now doesn't come to my table with beer.

        Amazing. WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE.

        Re: Human rights

        Posted by sloopy on 20/7/2021, 22:21:13, in reply to "Human rights "

        WHAT? No comparison. End of, apart from, Idiot

          Re: Human rights

          Posted by Alhatter on 20/7/2021, 21:46:10, in reply to "Human rights "

          Oh for a plasterers take on things!🤣

            Re: Human rights

            Posted by Wassell on 20/7/2021, 21:35:06, in reply to "Human rights "

            Football is played outside last time I checked.

              Re: Human rights

              Posted by clarky on 20/7/2021, 21:03:55, in reply to "Human rights "

              nightclubs?Never liked em nor done drugs,used to love a piss up though,god some the states i got in

                Re: Human rights

                Posted by Oh ffs on 20/7/2021, 20:52:41, in reply to "Human rights "

                Good.

                  Re: Human rights

                  Posted by Nick PBH on 20/7/2021, 20:52:11, in reply to "Human rights "

                  You could also argue some of those who refuse the experimental but tested and quality control checked vaccine are the same as those who regularly indulge in clubs in experimental substances with no quality control whatsoever - which is also slightly ironic.

                    Re: Human rights

                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 20:53:55, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                    There certainly is an irony in refusing to take the Covid jab because you dont trust it but willingly doing a line from a packet cut with who knows what.

                    And as fact checkers would say, your post is only partially true, the vaccines haven't completed trials yet

                      Re: Human rights

                      Posted by Nick PBH on 20/7/2021, 21:22:54, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                      hence the fact i left "experimental" in there

                    Re: Human rights

                    Posted by Wowser on 20/7/2021, 20:51:34, in reply to "Human rights "

                    Talking as someone who would technically, as far as I can tell, be breaking the law if I hugged my 5 year old son or 3 year old daughter who Iíve not been able to see for 7 months, I feel like this government gave up on my human rights quite some time ago.

                    Iím quite looking forward to seeing which straw breaks the camels back of the people in the U.K. Theyíve been pretty obedient up until now (relative to the other countries Iíve been in since this all started).

                      Re: Human rights

                      Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 20/7/2021, 20:50:38, in reply to "Human rights "

                      Football grounds will be included

                        Re: Human rights

                        Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 20:48:31, in reply to "Human rights "

                        I would be surprised if that became law.
                        I think it is to push the young to get the jab because the take up hasn't been very good or lower than they want anyway.

                          Re: Human rights

                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 20:51:59, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                          You say push others say coerce or blackmail.
                          It's immoral and unethical. The young are at a vanishingly small risk from covid

                            Re: Human rights

                            Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 21:03:39, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                            I don't disagree, I think it should be personal choice. I work with a lot of young folk who are very sensible and caring but are unsure of the jab and I think it is wrong they are being labelled selfish by some.
                            This government just keeps moving the goal posts, I don't care which way you vote this lot are not helping with their fudging of everything.

                            Yeah but Corbyn blah, blah.
                            This country deserves better than what we have and a better alternative.

                            It's a right shit show.

                          Re: Human rights

                          Posted by Malc on 20/7/2021, 20:39:17, in reply to "Human rights "

                          Major events with capacity greater than 20,000.
                          So, not KR then. 🤠

                            Re: Human rights

                            Posted by Noddy on 20/7/2021, 20:43:12, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                            2020 have a track record of doing the right thing. Nobody will get into the kenny without a vaccination.

                              Re: Human rights

                              Posted by Kitman on 20/7/2021, 22:26:02, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                              The right thing would be to allow each individual choose whether to accept a vaccination without discrimination.

                                Re: Human rights

                                Posted by Jimbo Slice on 20/7/2021, 20:47:17, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                Itís the right thing because you say it is? Ok then.

                                  Re: Human rights

                                  Posted by Noddy on 20/7/2021, 20:56:23, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                  It's the right thing because we have elderly fans. Some with underlying health issues. The club will look after them. And if that means making a manchild prove he's been a big boy and had his injection then so be it.

                                  We could argue for a bit. Or we could just wait and you'll see that I'm right in a week or two. Feel free to call me out if I turn out to be wrong.

                                    Re: Human rights

                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 21:47:03, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                    Why would younger people having the vaccine protect the elderly, given the vaccine doesnt stop transmission?

                                      Re: Human rights

                                      Posted by Noddy on 21/7/2021, 1:05:43, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                      I suggest you go away. Do some reading and come back when your knowledge of infectious diseases has not been taken from a popup book about gerry the germ.

                                        Re: Human rights

                                        Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 6:00:27, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                        It's ok if you cant answer it.

                                        You can't spread what you haven't got and we know that asymptomatic spread is very rare. So now everyone who needs to be is protected, if you're showing symptoms stay indoors

                                          Re: Human rights

                                          Posted by Noddy on 21/7/2021, 8:24:41, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                          Answered already with my comment about your human petri dish.

                                          I'm not here to educate you.

                                        Re: Human rights

                                        Posted by Maah001 on 20/7/2021, 21:48:30, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                        Doesn't stop transmission, but does reduce it substantially.

                                          Re: Human rights

                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 21:54:31, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                          If you have symptoms then transmission rate is high, vaccine or no. If you're asymptomatic then transmission rate is practically 0, vaccine or no.

                                          Ultimately if the vulnerable and elderly have had their vaccine what does it matter either way, unless you're saying they dont work?

                                            Re: Human rights

                                            Posted by Maah001 on 20/7/2021, 21:59:50, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                            Not saying they don't work, they are very effective, but no vaccine is 100% effective.

                                            And sorry, asymptomatic people can still transmit.

                                              Re: Human rights

                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:02:07, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                              They can, but according to several studies the risk of asymptomatic transmission is as close to 0 as it can be without being 0.

                                              I agree no vaccine is 100% effective, which is why even if everyone in the stadium was double jabbed, someone would catch it.

                                              Have you ever gone to a football game without having had the yearly flu jab before?

                                                Re: Human rights

                                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 21/7/2021, 9:41:34, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                I'll take you at your word that you found such studies, but plenty suggest the opposite, part of a conclusion from nature.com . . .

                                                "The issue with putting a reliable figure on the rate of asymptomatic COVID-19 is distinguishing between people who are asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic, says Krutika Kuppalli, an infectious-disease researcher at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston. ďAsymptomatic is someone who never developed symptoms ever throughout the course of their disease, and pre-symptomatic is somebody who has mild symptoms before they do go on to develop symptoms,Ē Kuppalli says. There is also no standardized accepted definition of that, she says.

                                                Research early in the pandemic suggested that the rate of asymptomatic infections could be as high as 81%. But a meta-analysis published last month1, which included 13 studies involving 21,708 people, calculated the rate of asymptomatic presentation to be 17%."

                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                  Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 22:44:30, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                  PHE said immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca cuts transmission by up to 50%.

                                                  Why do you keep comparing it to flu?

                                                  I thought you had never said it was anything like the flu (your words) but there you go. Again.

                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:49:13, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                    Risk for young people from flu and Covid is similar and the risk for children is potentially worse for the flu.

                                                    That's why.

                                                    The point that people seem to be avoiding is if were ostensibly having the Covid jab to protect the elderly, and that's why it's now mandatory, why was the flu jab never mandatory for the same reasons?

                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                      Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 22:59:18, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                      Because, quite simply, Covid is more contagious, more deadly and it has a greater potential to overwhelm our health care system than the flu?

                                                      FWIW, I argued on here the other week that I sort of agree with the government's approach. There is only so much we can do, unfortunately. And if the vulnerable have been vaccinated we can't keep locked up for ever. There is, unfortunately, a number of deaths just being delayed until the inevitable hits home.

                                                      I completely understand why the younger folks are out in nightclubs. I would have been at their age! Some of them would have been 17 when this all started and now they're nearly 19 and a half and still not legally been to a nightclub! Crazy to think what they've been through.

                                                      My slight moral dilemma is that we're seemingly asking those under 18, who won't be vaccinated, to achieve herd immunity by catching the virus. Unfortunately, there will be people their age who suffer severely as a result. Although I clearly accept at that age that will be a minority. However, there is also a threat to older vaccinated people coming into contact with younger individuals who are out at nightclubs etc.

                                                      I think, with a more responsible govt, the right approach would have been to relax all mandatory legislation but drive home a consistent PR campaign about being responsible etc.

                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                        Posted by Hat66 on 21/7/2021, 6:32:25, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                        Next time youíre in France pop into one of the war graves & have a look at the ages on the graves and then tell us how crazy it is that a youngster hasnít been able to attend a nightclub for 16 months.

                                                        Yes I have sympathy for them but please put things into some form of perception.

                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                          Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 7:30:07, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                          If we're using victims of war as a comparisom when maybe we shouldn't ever feel sorry for anyone

                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                            Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 8:22:23, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                            (was obviously half asleep writing that - 'comparison' and 'then maybe')

                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                              Posted by Hat66 on 21/7/2021, 8:03:18, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                              You made them out as victims under the subject of human rights so not that far adrift surely?

                                                              If 3 blokes had kicked a ball past a goalkeeper from 12 yards away recently theyíd have been described as heroes in the media.

                                                              Nothing personal fella, it just grates me how so many things are blown out of proportion these days.

                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 8:04:50, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                I don't remember saying anything about human rights. I just said I felt sorry for them and I understood why they're out in the clubs!

                                                                I probably would have been had I been their age but I'm not sure I agree with their actions either!

                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                            Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 23:07:42, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                            But we have seen many times a bad flu season overwhelming the NHS. I've shared articles on here before about it. 2018 was the last time I think. So why is flu vaccination not mandatory?

                                                            I agree with your last paragraph

                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                              Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 23:26:41, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                              Because COVID has a higher and mortality rate than influenza in all adult age groups? Because as a society we had very little immunity to COVID where there is greater herd immunity amongst us to flu?

                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 5:47:49, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                Mandatory flu vaccines would save lives. Why has it not been done

                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 5:48:28, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                  Also have you got any proof that Covid is more deadly than the flu for people aged around 20-40

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 6:57:25, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    The Data I saw on the ONS didn't have a specific category for 20-40 year olds to compare with.

                                              Re: Human rights

                                              Posted by Father Ted on 20/7/2021, 21:18:26, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                              Why should the young kids have a vaccine to protect a few older people you psycho.

                                                Re: Human rights

                                                Posted by Maah001 on 20/7/2021, 21:44:44, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                And the more the virus is in circulation, the more opportunity it will have to mutate, possibly rendering the vaccine ineffective or have a more serious impact on the young.

                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                  Posted by Noddy on 20/7/2021, 21:36:02, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                  Because the vulnerable and elderly people could very well be their own parents and grandparents?

                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 21:21:53, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                    It's to protect themselves, too.

                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                      Posted by Father Ted on 20/7/2021, 21:27:39, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                      No it isn't. They've got almost no problem if they catch it, don't say long covid either. The numbers are there for all to see.

                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 21:33:09, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                        So if they don't get vaccinated and Covid's still around when they're 30/40/50+, which is extremely likely with all the disbelievers and anti-vaxxers around?

                                                        Surely it's best to have the majority of the population protected.

                                                        And younger people have caught it and died.

                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 21:48:24, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                          Even if everyone followed the governments advice to the letter, or followed more sound virology advice, covid will still be around in 40 years.

                                                          It's here to stay

                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 21:56:38, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                            So it's sensible for people to have the vaccination, to lower the severity of the illness.

                                                            Thank you.

                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 21:59:38, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                              I completely agree that for people of a certain age or who fall into the vulnerable category that it is eminently sensible. I have never disagreed with that.

                                                              Once you get to the younger ages who are at very small risk then my opinion is it should be personal choice, like the flu jab

                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                Posted by Noddy on 21/7/2021, 1:11:22, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                So the crux of your argument is that:
                                                                1. covid is here to stay.
                                                                2. younger people don't need to be vaccinated. even though vaccines slow the spread and therefore evolution of the virus.

                                                                Effectively what you are desiring here is the creation of a human petri dish allowing covid to multiply unchecked, evolving new variants, inevitably outperforming our vaccines and condeming anyone over 70 to either a lingering death or spending their remaining years indoors.

                                                                You should run for office. You're incompetent enough to be a government minister.

                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 5:47:15, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                  ####ing hell that's the most melodramatic thing I've ever read


                                                                  Viruses mutate with or without vaccines and Covid will continue to do so.

                                                                  If you believe vaccines works then everyone who's had one is as protected as they can be, unless of course you're saying they don't work

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by Noddy on 21/7/2021, 8:35:11, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    Viruses mutate. It is inevitable that there will be a new variant. Any evolution is halted or stopped by reducing the spread of a vaccine.

                                                                    As much as you don't like it. The lockdowns slow the spread. Vaccines boost antibodies, meaning even if not 100% effective you are infectious for a briefer period. reducing the spread.

                                                                    But my argument on KR being a place where only the vaccinated will be allowed is built on pillars that have bugger all to do with this.

                                                                    1. Our ground will be FULL. People will be packed closely together as always. But somehow this is not a problem under government guidance.
                                                                    2. Larger grounds such as Stadium MK will not be full. But they will need everyone to have a passport.
                                                                    3. 2020 generally go above and beyond when thinking of fan welfare.
                                                                    4. So my conclusion is that they will voluntarily decide passports are necessary.

                                                                    But as I've said elsewhere on this thread, I'm happy to wait and see and will cheerfully admit if I'm wrong. I'm not having a lockdown/vaccine debate with you as they are boring and you never listen or learn.

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/7/2021, 8:55:07, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      Stadium MT is never full regardless of pandemic.

                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                        Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 8:44:29, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                        I suspect you're right regarding the steps 2020 will take.

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 22:13:18, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    And the ones that are administered to babies and young children to prevent the return of illnesses like polio and diphtheria? Should they be stopped too?

                                                                    If children are vaccinated, they will lessen the chances of catching the disease in the future.

                                                                    Or will it have magically disappeared by the time they've grown up?

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 22:41:05, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      The science says it will still be here but it won't be any worse than the flu, spanish flu is still around but does very little harm.

                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 22:45:21, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                        Where does it say it won't be worse than flu?

                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                          Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 23:37:24, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                          The science says that the likelyhood of it having the same strength it has now in the future is small.
                                                                          It is not cast in stone as there is an ever evolving picture but history has shown that most these viruses weaken for them to be able to carry on.
                                                                          As I said spanish flu is still around but in a different strain it was linked to the 1968 pandemic but had weakened to prey on the vulnerable
                                                                          We have been here before. Only Spanish flu killed young healthy people .


                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                Posted by Father Ted on 20/7/2021, 21:34:52, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                Surely everyone should have the choice and not excluded from normal society because of their decisions. Education not coercion.

                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                  Posted by Pete Welbourne on 20/7/2021, 21:38:35, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                  Not if it presents a serious risk to others.

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 21:50:17, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    Lots of things are a risk to others driving a car is very dangerous, let's take away the choice to drive or not.
                                                                    Instead of proof to drive you have to have proof you won't drive again.
                                                                    It has to be a choice other wise we open a huge can of worms, what happens if we have a really bad flu year and thousands die( it happens) is the flu jab to be made compulsory too.

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 21:57:43, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      Most people who are eligible for the flu jab have the sense to have it.

                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                        Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 22:05:45, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                        Most people are sensible enough to have the covid jab too, but still doesn't make it right to make it compulsory.
                                                                        When this all started there was no talk of making it compulsory for any events as usual the goal posts have been moved.
                                                                        As with the flu those who have it protect themselves but it doesn't stop you getting it.
                                                                        I and all my family have had it and I have a very vulnerable old Mum so I am not anti jab in anyway. But it has to be a person's choice and they should not feel coerced or ostracized for not having it. It is a basic human right.

                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                        Posted by Maah001 on 20/7/2021, 21:56:57, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                        That's why you need to demonstrate your valuable of driving to a safe standard in order to drive. You have a choice, if you want to drive you learn, pass a test and get a licence. If you don't, you can't drive.

                                                                        Is you want to get hot and sweaty with a bunch of other hot and sweaty people in a nightclub, you will need to demonstrate that you are less likely to contract and, more importantly, spread the virus. You have a choice

                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:00:24, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                          Why not introduce mandatory testing for chalymida and hiv before entry as well

                                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                                            Posted by Maah001 on 20/7/2021, 22:02:23, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                            Now you're being silly (again).

                                                                            No comparison.

                                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:05:30, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                              Really?

                                                                              I'd rather have Covid than hiv and it's possible to tell if someone has Covid before you sleep with them.

                                                                              Think how we could almost eradicate STDs if pubs and nightclubs demanded a negative test.

                                                                              That's where the logic takes us

                                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                                Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 22:50:17, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                That comparison is ridiculous.

                                                                                We all know how STIs are transmitted. And you can be prosecuted for recklessly transmitting HIV during sex.

                                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:53:26, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                  I'm not comparing them as viruses. See my reply for NaG below.

                                                                                  As we've gone all out on trying to prevent Covid, why dont we do the same for all viruses? We could drastically cut std transmission using an app that shows your test status for the various STDs and night clubs,pubs and bars could deny entry.
                                                                                  Massive reduction straight away.


                                                                                  And I know you can be prosecuted. Not much help to the poor bugger you've given it to

                                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                                    Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 23:13:01, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                    I think that's ridiculous and over the top.

                                                                                    We don't live in a risk free society for sure but the percentages of those dying from AIDs is nowhere near COVID.

                                                                                    Take driving - 32.7m driving licenses in this country but a mere 24000 deaths or seriously injured. So 0.07%.

                                                                                    What's the death rate in the UK from COVID, 2.3% or so? (5,519,602 cases 128,823 deaths)

                                                                                    If 2.3% of drivers starting dying on the roads or being seriously injured each year, so (654,000) you can bet the government would be looking to legislate to prevent deaths.

                                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 23:21:33, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                      Bit of a simplification. The Covid ifr is on a sliding scale based on age.
                                                                                      It's 0.1% for people under 40 but can go up to around 5% if you're over 80. The overall ifr is 1.15% but given such a large difference when talking about Covid IFR it's best to be age specific.
                                                                                      https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/207273/covid-19-deaths-infection-fatality-ratio-about/

                                                                                      Also remember from your sums alone we've missed a shit load of cases, some people estimate the majority of adults have now had it.

                                                                                      Using your argument for my age I'm actually at more risk driving a car.



                                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                                        Posted by HH on 20/7/2021, 23:27:58, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                        Bit of a simplification.

                                                                                        From the bloke who wanted to compare it to catching a STI.

                                                                                        Night, Doctor Love.

                                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 5:45:33, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                          For the 3rd time, I'm not comparing Covid to catching an std.

                                                                                          I am saying if we're using proof of a negative test and vaccine passports to prevent the spread of Covid, why dont we also do it for other things? It would help save lives and prevent strain on the NHS

                                                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                                                            Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 6:41:00, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                            I've clearly explained why. You're refusing to understand because you're of the mindset Covid isn't that bad.

                                                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 21/7/2021, 7:55:49, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                              For the majority it really isnt. A survival rate >99%, most dont even show symptoms.

                                                                                              For the elderly and vulnerable it can be bad, as shown by the ifr increasing to 5%.

                                                                                              That's why a focussed protection plan was always the better option than lockdown.

                                                                                              There are many, many worse viruses out there

                                                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                                                Posted by Really? on 21/7/2021, 8:13:44, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                                NAME AND SHAME

                                                                                                Like what, and why aren't we reacting to those worldwide?

                                                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                                                  Posted by HH on 21/7/2021, 8:03:34, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                                  There properly are if you want to exclusively look at death rates.

                                                                                                  It's quite clear why Covid was such a threat to anyone not down a conspiracy black hole.

                                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 22:16:14, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                    It's not a given that people are going to sleep with each other, as it is that they will be breathing the same air.

                                                                                    I get that you have your point of view and you want to get it across, but really!

                                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:50:57, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                      I'm not trying to compare them as viruses.

                                                                                      I'm making the point that if we're creating this precedent for a very survivable virus, why not apply the same logic to all viruses.

                                                                                      Not letting people with an std into nightclubs would cut transmission drastically

                                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 22:52:01, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                        Getting desperate now.

                                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                                          Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 22:54:07, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                          I can tell

                                                                                            Re: Human rights

                                                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 20/7/2021, 22:58:59, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                                            Oh, haha.

                                                                                              Re: Human rights

                                                                                              Posted by Doctor Ince on 20/7/2021, 23:13:51, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                          Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 21:38:34, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                          This👍

                                                                  Re: Human rights

                                                                  Posted by Jimbo Slice on 20/7/2021, 21:01:46, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                  Iím not going to argue with you. Some people have genuine concerns with having the jabs. Placing restrictions on people for not having it is a breach of human rights, such as;-

                                                                  Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits (Article 27).

                                                                  Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country (Article 21).

                                                                  Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person (Article 3).

                                                                  You can see that canít you?

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by Noddy on 20/7/2021, 21:31:53, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    I can.

                                                                    That doesn't mean that the club won't want to ensure all visitors have been vaccinated. The same right to access applies to the elderly and vulnerable so I could use the same laws to argue my case. I don't really feel like an argument so let's just wait and see. One of us will be wrong. I'll happily doff my cap to you if it's me. Have a good evening.

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by Jimbo Slice on 20/7/2021, 21:37:29, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      Fair enough, Iím not here to argue either. This throws up some interesting ethical questions regardlessÖ

                                                                      Keep the faith, COYH.

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by Jimbo on 20/7/2021, 21:06:26, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      But I have the right to be protected against getting covid, pretty much avoidable.

                                                                        Re: Human rights

                                                                        Posted by SAHB on 20/7/2021, 21:12:47, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                        Why do you have the right, you have no more right to not catching covid as you have of getting any disease or illness.
                                                                        You could still get it even if every
                                                                        Youth had it.
                                                                        Children are not down to get the jab, will they make it a condition of attending junior schools next?

                                                                          Re: Human rights

                                                                          Posted by Jimbo Slice on 20/7/2021, 21:10:18, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                          Does the vaccine not protect you? I always thought that we have a vaccine to stop us contracting an illness. You donít have a typhoid jab to protect others, do you?

                                                                Re: Human rights

                                                                Posted by Richard spotter on 20/7/2021, 20:37:30, in reply to "Human rights "

                                                                One major flaw with that. To use your expression ďyou imagineĒ. Donít do that, you have the imagination of a redneck whoís been n a crack pipe for a month.

                                                                  He is

                                                                  Posted by and he has on 20/7/2021, 22:34:31, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                  .

                                                                    Re: Human rights

                                                                    Posted by bbb on 20/7/2021, 20:43:39, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                    No need to get upset tubbs. Please don't take it out on me just because you have no friends and you have never touched a naked woman apart from your sister.
                                                                    If you need a chat hun, I'm here for you. Just message me x

                                                                      Re: Human rights

                                                                      Posted by J in C on 20/7/2021, 20:38:43, in reply to "Re: Human rights "

                                                                      No need for that dick mate

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