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    Ffs what is that matter with people

    Posted by The Phantom Dick Chopper on 10/6/2021, 19:08:35

    Some people will object to anything

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-57400114.amp

      Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

      Posted by thomas cook on 10/6/2021, 19:48:21, in reply to "Ffs what is that matter with people "

      make more sense resurrecting the old (Bletchley) Leighton Buzzard - Luton Line linking MK to the Airport

        Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

        Posted by Old Black& White on 10/6/2021, 19:46:42, in reply to "Ffs what is that matter with people "

        What the EW link needs to do is do a lot of freight, and take the stream of never ending container lorries off the roads.... there is huge distribution increasing up the M1 corridor... these need to fed by freight coming from the East Coast ports..... there needs to be some joined up thinking done, won’t happen of course.

        EW is far more important than the White Elephant that is HS2

          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

          Posted by The Phantom Dick Chopper on 10/6/2021, 20:13:27, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

          Clearly you don't understand the purpose of HS2 or how railways work then. HS2 is primarily about capacity.

            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

            Posted by On me head on 10/6/2021, 22:33:22, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

            HS2 is probably the biggest waste of money the government will ever spend, coupled with the environmental damage it will cause

              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

              Posted by Godders on 10/6/2021, 23:02:44, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

              coupled with the environmental damage it will cause

              What an extraordinary statement!

              Until everyone decides to stay at home and not travel then environmental damage will necessarily continue. However, rail transport is the greenest form of people and goods movement that exists.

              And, as stated elsewhere on this thread, if you think HS2 is a complete waste of money you are unaware of how railways work alongside the fact that the main reason HS2 is required is about releasing capacity on the current infrastructure improving inter City and provincial services and freight.

              Furthermore, thousands of permanent jobs are being created in the main transport hubs not to mention many thousands more temporary construction jobs.

              I'm afraid your "argument" is weak, shallow, and ill thought through.

                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                Posted by Geoffry Boycott on 11/6/2021, 9:10:39, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                Maybe, just maybe, less travel is the answer?

                  Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                  Posted by On me head on 11/6/2021, 8:35:06, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                  Utter tosh, creating thousands of jobs for wrecking the environment is not a point I would be making, it's an embarrassment, and an act of crime. Once these things go they are gone for good, and for what? Getting to London 20 mins quicker? Absolute bullshit. The current network could be improved which nearly everyone is calling for, but no let's give it to some overseas firm to make a load of money out of it, and at a rough cost of 300 million quid a mile, it seems someone is laughing all the way to the bank.
                  But hey let's all get around abit quicker instead of getting out of bed a bit earlier

                    Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                    Posted by Krakow Hatter on 11/6/2021, 9:07:51, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                    > get to London 20 mins quicker

                    Think about all the years you've had to read up on the pros and cons of this, and how you still choose to spew ignorance. Says a lot.

                      Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                      Posted by On me head on 11/6/2021, 9:17:29, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                      That's the main driver though, its undeniable. Land is very precious on this small island of ours, and we've taken an extremely lazy option to a simple problem, but I guess it's just echoing what society has become. Still at least I can get to London a tiny bit quicker

                        Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                        Posted by wordy on 11/6/2021, 10:33:28, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                        It's not the main driver!!! How many more times do you have to be told! IT'S ABOUT CAPACITY.

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by On me head on 11/6/2021, 10:58:14, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          If it was about capacity, then the existing network would of been upgraded, and bet your bottom dollar it would of come in under 300 million quid a mile

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by Godders on 11/6/2021, 14:33:58, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            You can't simply put more trains on the same track. Their lengths, weights, and stopping distances means that you can only have a certain amount on at any one time. And then there's timings to consider when trains are stationary; either planned when at stations or otherwise when problems occur. No amount of upgrading will change that.

                            Added to that the WCML was only recently upgraded just over a decade ago!!!!

                            And the whole cost of the project would be considerably less if; the cost of land wasn't so large, people didn't keep protesting and objecting and wasting time and money in courts, and not to mention the ridiculous amount of the project having to be tunnelled just to keep the nimbys happy.

                              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                              Posted by Mother Nature on 11/6/2021, 17:28:50, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                              Yeah, #### all to do with protecting precious sites of special scientific interest eh, those tunnels etc? Not much of a steward of the land are you? Just a railway enthusiast wearing blinkers and defending every aspect of HS2 blindly.

                                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                Posted by On me head on 11/6/2021, 14:56:32, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                You can put more trains on tracks and you can expand the number of tracks, it's not rocket science, Heathrow had planes landing or taking off every 30 secs it can be done.
                                Look at the M1, very busy, the answer wasnt build another M1 it was expand it.
                                I would absolutely guarantee there is a way of expanding what we have already got

                                  Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                  Posted by Godders on 11/6/2021, 16:35:48, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                  You can put more trains on tracks and you can expand the number of tracks,

                                  Effective building a new railway - but not doing it properly!!!!

                                  And you can't compare railway travel with road or air. Completely different infrastructure requirements.

                                  And yes you can expand what we've currently got to some extent. But it would be like putting a sticking plaster on a broken leg, papering over cracks etc. (whichever metaphor you prefer)

                                    Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                    Posted by On me head on 11/6/2021, 20:56:04, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                    What I am saying is, if you can get planes to land and take off every 30 secs then you can get trains to operate quicker, obviously the tech is there, look at the underground every few mins a train turns up.

                        Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 11/6/2021, 9:07:29, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                        Exactly.

                        And since it was first given the go-ahead, developments in computer technology have meant that people can do their work on the train.
                        Also, it was supposed to make business links between Europe and the north easier. That went well, didn't it.

                        And the amount of environmental damage caused already far outweighs any hypothetical lessening. Just drive from Aylesbury to Bicester.

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by bbb on 11/6/2021, 9:11:54, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          The environmental damage is no worse than that caused when the motorways were built.

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 11/6/2021, 9:43:13, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            But kind of getting to the point where we can't afford to keep doing "stupid" with the environment . . . .

                              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                              Posted by bbb on 11/6/2021, 9:56:45, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                              Unfortunately that point was passed a long time ago mate.

                                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 11/6/2021, 10:21:45, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                True enough.

                                But there's still possibly time to avoid complete disaster.

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by bbb on 11/6/2021, 8:43:12, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          I presume your missus didn't put out last night then...

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by Haha on 10/6/2021, 23:04:26, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          And yours just parrots HS2 PR. Pillock.

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by Godders on 10/6/2021, 23:07:45, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            Ok new name poster. No need to resort to insults which just proves you've lost the argument.

                            As if I'm HS2's PR machine...

                              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                              Posted by Haha on 10/6/2021, 23:11:53, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                              You've just been abusive to On me head about his argument!

                                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                Posted by Godders on 10/6/2021, 23:26:39, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                Have I?

                                Please show me where?

                                I've ripped his "argument" to shreds and told him that it it was weak, shallow, and ill-thought through. That's describing his post not describing him as a person. Surely you can tell the difference between personal insults and the description of someone's point of view?

                        Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                        Posted by Old Black& White on 10/6/2021, 20:45:22, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                        If you travel up the A14 regularly as I do, then an East West freight line is a must....

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by Godders on 10/6/2021, 21:52:52, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          The East West rail link is essentially a varsity line though between Oxford and Cambridge. Admittedly it would help but current most freight from Felixstowe to the Midlands, North, and Scotland goes via London and the West Coast Main Line which is madness clogging up capacity around the commuter routes in and around London.

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by jimmyp on 10/6/2021, 20:55:07, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            You're not a fan of the 'scream down the off-slip, across the roundabout and then back up the on-slip' to overtake the snail-race?

                            Cheers, Jim

                        Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                        Posted by Garstang Hatter on 10/6/2021, 19:40:56, in reply to "Ffs what is that matter with people "

                        Would you want to be better connected to MK?

                          Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                          Posted by crumpsall on 10/6/2021, 19:30:57, in reply to "Ffs what is that matter with people "

                          I'm sure if it was happening in your back garden you would be objecting too, even if you were some sort of train geek.

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by The Phantom Dick Chopper on 10/6/2021, 20:11:34, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            So you're effectively saying they're nimbys with no real reason for objecting.

                            With the ever increasing demand for transport and globalisation surely a railway is far more preferable than a road or even an airport which was essentially my point.

                              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                              Posted by crumpsall on 10/6/2021, 20:37:02, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                              No I'm not Godders, do me a favour and don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying you would have a very different view if it directly affected you, as would we all.

                                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                Posted by Godders on 10/6/2021, 21:57:57, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                Personally speaking I would have no issue living next to a railway line. As a kid I used to dream about having a main line at the bottom of our garden. Of all the things that might bother me if I lived next to them, a railway line is almost bottom of the list with a huge list befire it.

                            Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                            Posted by Jimmy husband's wife on 10/6/2021, 19:12:51, in reply to "Ffs what is that matter with people "

                            They will allow the farmer to carry on, just lose a few acres...

                            Bring it on, I say...

                              Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 19:45:37, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                              The plans are to knock down several houses near Bedford Station. The people there aren't happy either.

                                Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                Posted by Malc on 10/6/2021, 20:42:41, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                Plus new houses at Wixams!

                                  Re: Ffs what is that matter with people

                                  Posted by Laststraw on 10/6/2021, 22:55:23, in reply to "Re: Ffs what is that matter with people "

                                  The thing I have against the line is that the government won't stump up the money to have it electrified. They talk about burning fossil fuels and how bad it is for the environment and then allow diesel trains!
                                  Europe has almost done away with non electrified lines and most of it was completed just after WW2.

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