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    Tolerance

    Posted by The Questioner on 9/6/2021, 23:16:50

    So much anger on here about taking the knee which frankly I don’t get . It’s literally seconds before kick off and hardly noticeable .
    We regularly have supportive days to make us a more tolerant society in the work place so why not a few seconds at a sports event . If those that are booing it are genuinely concerned it’s a political movement hijacking football then let’s rebrand the knee. Call it the support of tolerance to all , include racism , sexism , homophobia, disability etc .
    Great reminder to anyone with hate for another person that it’s not wanted . I see no issue us all having a few seconds to remind us to be tolerant of those different to us ....even those yellow bellies down the road ....ok probably gone to far with that one.

      Re: Tolerance

      Posted by jimmyp on 10/6/2021, 21:16:21, in reply to "Tolerance "

      A thoroughly depressing thread full of thick cunts desperately trying to justify their bullshit.

      If you're a racist, just be a racist, don't hide behind shit.

      If you're not, what possible reason could you have to find a problem with players - many of whom are subject to endless racial-abuse - showing solidarity for one another and against such pathetic cowardice.

      Wind your necks in and fuck off, the world doesn't need you.

      Cheers, Jim

        Re: Tolerance

        Posted by Krakow Hatter on 11/6/2021, 8:55:20, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

        Getting on knees is a symbol of subservience. I want my team to be heroes; unstoppable athletes who crush opposition, not puppets to a media circus, representing political views.

        Verstappen and Raikonnen are 2 good examples; people at the top of their game, not getting caught up in fashionable media wankeries.

        Also I find it hard to believe that every single player would want to take a knee. Being pressured into acting a certain way is what diversity is not all about.

        As for the "if you don't do what I say, you're racist". What a pathetic argument, typical of certain types of people who think they know best and like to look at others as if they have no agency.

        Re: Tolerance

        Posted by Cheated on 10/6/2021, 12:47:42, in reply to "Tolerance "

        Croatia, aren’t going to take the knee, are they neo nazi facist scumbags? Will the English fans clap England taking the knee but boo Croatia?

        What a pantomime, Thank you so much America

          Re: Tolerance

          Posted by Austro Hungary on 10/6/2021, 13:07:35, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

          The Croats have a fascist past. The Ustaše which made a comeback During the break up of Yugoslavia
          So it would not be surprising to see they are some neo nazi supporters from there

            Re: Tolerance

            Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 10/6/2021, 15:48:37, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

            Scotland not taking the knee either

            Re: Tolerance

            Posted by HH on 10/6/2021, 12:57:32, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

            I don't think anyone is suggesting you're a Nazi if you don't take the knee.

            If you don't agree with it or feel it's run its course, that's also fine. I just don't understand why you would actively boo it.

              Re: Tolerance

              Posted by Man on 10/6/2021, 12:55:06, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

              The whole thing has become a pantomime, you'll never get of discrimination and crime completely

                Re: Tolerance

                Posted by Man on 10/6/2021, 12:56:54, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                Meant to say you'll never get rid of discrimination and crime completely

                  Re: Tolerance

                  Posted by Bless on 10/6/2021, 13:03:08, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                  Oh well. Might aswell not bother then, eh?

              Re: Tolerance

              Posted by Man on 10/6/2021, 12:42:39, in reply to "Tolerance "

              This country is a tolerant country, you'll always get a few idiots saying stuff, it will never be stopped like you'll never stop anything completely

                Re: Tolerance

                Posted by Old hats on 10/6/2021, 12:28:18, in reply to "Tolerance "

                A general observation is that those who bang the drum loudest demanding tolerance are the most intolerant of others' views on taking the knee.

                I don't recall any Kick It Out pre-match initiative being roundly jeered yet all of a sudden the terraces have become jam-packed with mindless racists.

                  Re: Tolerance

                  Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 10/6/2021, 11:54:21, in reply to "Tolerance "

                  Stand up in a group for same lenght of time..why kneel..that is highlighting action of a white American police officer..adopt a different action if you must

                    Re: Tolerance

                    Posted by Man on 10/6/2021, 9:27:31, in reply to "Tolerance "

                    This whole blm, woke thing is becoming a anti white movement and is dividing people. This country is one of the most tolerant countrys in the world which is why so many people want to live here. Rascism works the other way as well

                      Re: Tolerance

                      Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 9:42:12, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                      I absolutely agree that it’s dividing people.

                      It’s dividing the racists from everyone else.

                        Re: Tolerance

                        Posted by Mad dog on 10/6/2021, 15:22:10, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                        I first went to see Luton fc in 1973 the racism was rife in 1977 we had monkey chants directed at the players eventually the racism went.

                        Re: Tolerance

                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 9:36:44, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                        So footballers shouldn't protest about the racism that is displayed against them by so many so-called fans?

                          Re: Tolerance

                          Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 10:45:10, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                          These multi million pound footballers don't live in the real world

                            Re: Tolerance

                            Posted by HH on 10/6/2021, 10:54:18, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                            Is the real world a place where sending racist abuse on twitter is acceptable?

                              Re: Tolerance

                              Posted by Krakow Hatter on 11/6/2021, 8:58:20, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                              Perhaps protesting against Twitter and how it poisons public discourse is something greater to protest about; something which could actually have clear measurable goals.

                              Taking knees achieves absolutely 0. How much racism has been stopped after all this media madness?

                                Re: Tolerance

                                Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 11:00:57, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                Do you call Twitter real life ?

                                  Re: Tolerance

                                  Posted by HH on 10/6/2021, 11:13:49, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                  I think if someone sends you racist abuse, be it verbally, or via social media it feels very real to the victim.

                                  Is your stance racist abuse on social media is fine?

                                    Re: Tolerance

                                    Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 11:30:54, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                    Worse thing that ever happened is social media,I don't get it

                                      Re: Tolerance

                                      Posted by HH on 10/6/2021, 12:08:39, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                      Yeah, that's a fair point.

                                      I don't understand these cricketers who have left their social media feeds up from when they were youngsters.

                                      Surely delete your teenage rantings the moment you become famous?

                                        Re: Tolerance

                                        Posted by Question on 10/6/2021, 11:35:23, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                        What do you get, actually?

                                        If you can't cope with social media, it is you who isn't living in the real world. It's now a fact of life, like it or loathe it.

                                          Re: Tolerance

                                          Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 11:39:05, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                          A fact of life for who?

                                            Re: Tolerance

                                            Posted by Question on 10/6/2021, 15:17:39, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                            Everyone in the real world. You seen to be a dinosaur. Got some bad news for you on that front....

                                          Re: Tolerance

                                          Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 11:35:19, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                          Is this conversation real btw?

                                            Re: Tolerance

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 11:39:02, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                            Believe it or not, this message board is a social medium.

                                            And are you saying that just because racists abuse footballers on twitter, the effect is less real to the recipient than being shouted at in the street or stadium?

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 11:43:07, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Yes otherwise you have problems ,maybe schools should teach to ignore idiots on social media from.an early age,if someone has got something to say tell them to say it to their face

                                                Re: Tolerance

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 11:47:42, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                So what do you do in the meantime?

                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                  Posted by Terry Sweeny on 10/6/2021, 12:24:47, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                  Wait a few years ,and tell the MSM they have a responsabilty to stop stirring up things ps ####.the spelling you get my drift

                                                    Re: Tolerance

                                                    Posted by Bless on 10/6/2021, 12:47:25, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                    I don't think even you catch your 'drift', mate. You've typed a lot of words for somebody that appears to have nothing intelligible to say.

                                  Re: Tolerance

                                  Posted by Man on 10/6/2021, 9:47:45, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                  Ive been going to luton for donkeys years and seen no racism

                                    Re: Tolerance

                                    Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 9:46:03, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                    The protest should be inclusive not divisive. The knee is associated with BLM so some see it as constantly highlighting our differences. We need a new inclusive stance such as what LTFC did a few times - players from both sides mingling and standing shoulder to shoulder with arms around each others shoulders.

                                      Re: Tolerance

                                      Posted by Hatnut on 10/6/2021, 10:00:00, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                      Everyone would go with that...and it stops any booing or division...

                                        Re: Tolerance

                                        Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 9:56:47, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                        Those taking the knee before games have literally told us that it isn’t in support of any political movement.

                                        And yet that’s somehow it’s confusing to people who genuinely think that a group of footballers are extolling the virtues of Marxism, expressing a desire to defund the police, erase our history and burn our flag.

                                        What we’re witnessing here is the attempted mass gaslighting of people wishing to fight racism by angry foot soldiers who have themselves been manipulated in the right’s new diversionary culture war.

                                          Re: Tolerance

                                          Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 10:12:05, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                          Journeyman! How are you?

                                            Re: Tolerance

                                            Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 10:15:47, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 10:18:27, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Not Journeyman? OK, very similar style. Sorry.

                                            Re: Tolerance

                                            Posted by bbb on 10/6/2021, 10:03:07, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                            WAFFLE

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 10:06:05, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Point very nicely proven.

                                              “What a time to be alive.”

                                                Re: Tolerance

                                                Posted by bbb on 10/6/2021, 10:15:10, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 9:59:20, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Very well put.

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by City Gent on 10/6/2021, 9:50:40, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              Perhaps they could all sit in a circle and sing a nice song as well? Something nice and well meaning but utterly pointless, so we don't upset the bigots.

                                              Love it or loathe it, the knee thing has got the conversation moved on, and it's doing a decent job of exposing the "I'm not racist but..." racists.

                                                Re: Tolerance

                                                Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 9:57:08, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                I don't think LTFC did it so they wouldn't upset the bigots. The mingling and linking arms is something the fans could do as well - all united against any form of discrimination.

                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                  Posted by bbb on 10/6/2021, 10:26:47, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                  Nah. Sounds gay as fukk tbh.

                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 10/6/2021, 10:11:20, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                  With social distancing we're going to need long arms .

                                                    Re: Tolerance

                                                    Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 10:15:47, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                    We do a mini Poznan after every goal (not very bouncy and lots of knee cracking) so that's sidelined as well.

                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 10/6/2021, 10:18:28, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                      Yes, I thought about suggesting that those in favour also took the knee but that would be utter carnage in places like the Oak Road and I doubt a number of us would get back up again :-)

                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 10:31:44, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                          Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 10:21:33, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          There's not much room either so cutting equipment would be needed for those who get wedged between the seats.

                                                            Re: Tolerance

                                                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 10/6/2021, 10:24:43, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "



                                                            Yep, even the turnstiles seem to have shrunk in the rain over the years .

                                                              Re: Tolerance

                                                              Posted by RADSB on 10/6/2021, 10:25:31, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                            Re: Tolerance

                                            Posted by Hatnut on 10/6/2021, 9:05:31, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                            This group of BLM supporters last year went on rampages/marches over the country- attacked the Police - pulled down and defaced statues- set fire to the Union Jack and are currently trying to erase our History...

                                            Tolerance???

                                              Re: Tolerance

                                              Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 9:29:04, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                              A group of far right protesters rampaged through London, attacked Police and urinated on a memorial to PC Keith Palmer. All in the name of “dEfEnDiNg ArE hIsToRy”

                                              Which bit of our history is anyone, particularly England Footballers, trying to erase?

                                                Re: Tolerance

                                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 9:20:33, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                For the umpteenth time
                                                https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/msg/1623245046.html

                                                Why will you not understand?

                                                Or is it can't or won't?

                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                  Posted by Hatnut on 10/6/2021, 9:44:12, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                  Anyone who denigrates my flag, my country or my queen gets NO support from me...and I would fight to the very end to defend them, by any means neccessary.

                                                  What is it you dont understand???

                                                    Re: Tolerance

                                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 10:37:00, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                    No-one has suggested doing any of those.

                                                    Again, what do you not understand when the organisers say that taking the knee before matches is not anything to do with BLM?

                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                      Posted by I know on 10/6/2021, 11:22:48, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                      Probably something to do with the fact that when footballers started taking the knee, it was to do with black lives matters.

                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 11:36:34, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                        Be that as it may, it has been made abundantly clear to anyone with more than one brain cell that taking the knee before a match is nothing to do with BLM, but making a gesture against racism.

                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                          Posted by I know on 10/6/2021, 11:53:54, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          Anybody with half a brain cell knows that footballers started taking the knee because of BLM. Just because they decided to change their minds about what taking the knee meant doesn't change anything.

                                                            Re: Tolerance

                                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 10/6/2021, 15:08:15, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                            Are you going to say that to our players when we're allowed back?

                                                              Re: Tolerance

                                                              Posted by I know on 10/6/2021, 15:22:34, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                              No.

                                                              I'll be too busy booing.

                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                      Posted by Ches Fordroad on 10/6/2021, 10:10:14, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                      I'm sure Brenda would do the same for you

                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                        Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 10:08:02, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                          Posted by E1 on 10/6/2021, 9:45:44, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          Do you have a moat?

                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                      Posted by Garstang Hatter on 10/6/2021, 6:20:29, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                                      "Call it the support of tolerance to all"

                                                      Pretty sure that the commentators in matches I have seen always refer to it along the lines of "showing there is no room for discrimination of any kind" so this move already seems to have happened?

                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                        Posted by Plympic on 10/6/2021, 7:43:23, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                        That's true but then show a black lives logo on screen.Time for a different initiative.

                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                          Posted by Bored in Flitwick on 10/6/2021, 15:53:28, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                          No way...too political

                                                        Simple solution stop doing it, our football club stopped doing the knee

                                                        Posted by MH9 on 10/6/2021, 0:39:37, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                                        we just stood in a united gesture for a few seconds before kick off standing against all isms and discrimination.

                                                        The knee promotors are the problem here. Try playing an England game with a different gesture and I doubt they'd even be a boo heard just warm applause, Football fans just being made to be scapegoats again bu the British media who are thr forefront of pushing this on us.

                                                        It will spoil this tournament for us, by dividing us even more.

                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                        Posted by carling on 9/6/2021, 23:23:35, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                                        its just a pissing nuisance now, taking the knee

                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                          Posted by Shifter on 9/6/2021, 23:23:06, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                                          Think you answered your own question there its hardly noticible..........so why bother.

                                                            Re: Tolerance

                                                            Posted by MetalHatter on 9/6/2021, 23:21:37, in reply to "Tolerance "

                                                            Good idea! However they need to rebrand it by doing anything other than taking a knee.

                                                            I'd like to see them all stand together with arms round eachother, or potentially in some sort of formation.

                                                            Literally anything but a knee.

                                                              Re: Tolerance

                                                              Posted by BLM on 10/6/2021, 6:11:48, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                              You do spout a load of old bollocks.

                                                                Re: Tolerance

                                                                Posted by MetalHatter on 10/6/2021, 8:12:15, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                Read about dekulakisation

                                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                                  Posted by Faulkner’s Wig on 10/6/2021, 8:16:05, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                  Yes, the England football team are keen supporters of that and it’s all part of Southgate and a bunch of millionaire footballer’s master plan.

                                                                  Jesus wept. I

                                                                  Re: Tolerance

                                                                  Posted by MetalHatter on 10/6/2021, 8:10:55, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                  Literally done by some championship teams this season back when there fans and it stopped the booing.

                                                                  You want to continue driving a wedge through society go ahead. You're following footsteps that historically have ended in genocide. I apologise for caring about maintaining peace within a blood thirsty species.

                                                                    Re: Tolerance

                                                                    Posted by Are you on 10/6/2021, 9:14:25, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                    Are you Vegan Hatter with a new routine? Similar style.

                                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                                      Posted by JJJ on 10/6/2021, 8:37:37, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                      ‘blood thirsty species’

                                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                                        Posted by Booing Muppets on 10/6/2021, 8:35:22, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "


                                                                        But I guess the reasons for the booing are also myriad. Football crowds trample on niceties almost as a matter of faith. It is an achievement when any minute’s silence is observed and completely predictable when an anthem is booed or a player or manager abused for appearance or perceived proclivities. So this booing does not take the nihilists who go to international matches outside their comfort zone. But still, the booing episodes do tell us something about where we are in Britain post-Black Lives Matter, post-George Floyd, mid-pandemic.

                                                                        One could dismiss this as a football terraces thing, but I suspect it is the sharp end of something that’s happening more widely in society. I think we have reached the point in the race in Britain debate where a section of white establishment Britain is saying: “That’s it. We have heard your plight and George Floyd was terrible and yes, perhaps you do need a few more jobs and we can do that, but you keep going on about it and you are making us feel responsible and uncomfortable: we have heard you, but we have heard enough.”

                                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 10/6/2021, 10:17:26, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                          "But I guess the reasons for the booing are also myriad."

                                                                          I suspect they are, most things are not cut in absolute terms and when you take a crowd's worth of individual understandings and motivations, they are always multi-faceted.

                                                                          And yet here we have a whole thread of people trying to label it as one thing or another. It's one of the key reasons that we can never make progress. This basic need to label and differentiate rather than understand.

                                                                      Re: Tolerance

                                                                      Posted by Hack on 9/6/2021, 23:24:45, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                      Good ####ing grief, the idiocy.

                                                                        Re: Tolerance

                                                                        Posted by E1 on 10/6/2021, 0:05:45, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                        The intolerant. Are they going to boo next season? With Adebayo & Pelly on the pitch. I hope not.

                                                                          Re: Tolerance

                                                                          Posted by Anon on 10/6/2021, 0:36:31, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                          I can see them all taking both knees after the group stage begging for forgiveness

                                                                            Re: Tolerance

                                                                            Posted by Voice of reason on 10/6/2021, 6:51:07, in reply to "Re: Tolerance "

                                                                            I agree with Ronnie Finger. The ‘black power’ fist is counter productive to the purpose of the knee. It makes it political implying superiority which is the opposite of the alleged purpose of taking the knee and may be why it has been eliciting boos.

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