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    rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

    Posted by deeuu on 9/6/2021, 6:33:43

    How can knive crime be stopped.

      Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

      Posted by Buzzard on 9/6/2021, 11:28:52, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

      It probably beyond the point of control now.

      But parents need to take responsibility for their children and stop blaming everyone else for their failings.

      Schools need to re impose discipline and society needs to stop pandering to a more softly softly approach as it is simply not working.

      The tail is wagging the dog in this country and it is absolutely shocking how shit it is becoming.

      Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

      Posted by Eddie on 9/6/2021, 9:54:01, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

      Chop a finger off with the same they are carrying then next time they’ll leave the house without one. And it’s not all about poverty. There’s plenty of kids from decent homes carrying knives. It’s all about the culture and greed. They all think they are road men now.
      Have a listen to the drill music they are listening to on a daily basis and wonder why they are being influenced. They pick fights just to film it and get more views on their Tik Tok accounts. Plenty of kids holding knives to other kids and humiliating them and making them say and do whatever. They are not scared of the punishments and the little telling off they get. These are kids playing dangerous games a lot of time for a bit of respect or not to lose face.

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        Posted by Doctor Ince on 9/6/2021, 8:37:53, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

        Didnt Glasgow manage to put a stop to it quite effectively?

          Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

          Posted by simon says on 9/6/2021, 7:53:01, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

          well, taking the knee doesn't seem to be helping. Tokenism is obviously not the answer, perhaps responsible parentage and more stop and search coupled with heavier sentences. Everything but the obvious hasn't been tried.

            Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 9/6/2021, 9:05:51, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

            Don't we (England) have the highest number of prisoners per capita in Western Europe?

            I also think the US has the highest per capita in the world . . .

              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

              Posted by Woodston hat on 9/6/2021, 8:18:27, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

              Strange comment about the knee.

                Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                Posted by Ches Fordroad on 9/6/2021, 8:08:40, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                Ever thought about taking a day off being a ####, you utter ####?

                  Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                  Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 7:57:00, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                  Ironic that the lad who shot the black activist women a few weeks ago in London was arrested after a stop and search. Something the same women was previously protesting against.

                    Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                    Posted by RADSB on 9/6/2021, 8:48:06, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                    It's very sad that there's a wall of silence. From the BBC, the detective leaing the investigation -
                    "He added nobody who was at the party had yet provided information to police and her family were "concerned people are not coming forward to help us".

                      Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                      Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 8:54:49, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                      Yes they are obviously scared to do so but my point is stop and search powers got the first arrest.
                      Amongst other initiatives Glasgow increased stop and search to successfully reduce knife crime.

                        Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                        Posted by That's not true on 9/6/2021, 9:04:26, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                        No they didn't, their successful VRU initiative was based on treating knife crime as a public health issue.

                          Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                          Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 9:11:45, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                          As well as increased stop and search.

                            Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                            Posted by Strange times on 9/6/2021, 9:30:02, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                            John Carnochan , co director of the Scottish Violence reduction unit told reporters that while prevention was a major part of the project, criminal justice still needed to be done swiftly. Sometimes its portrayed that we didnt do that.But we increased stop and search, we spoke to government and they changed the legislation to increase the sentence for carrying a knife.

                            Obviously copied from media report.

                              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                              Posted by That's not true on 9/6/2021, 10:04:54, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                              Strange that you only part quote.

                              ‘Criminal justice still needed to be there and seen to be done swiftly. Sometimes it gets portrayed that we didn’t do that. But we increased stop and search, we spoke to the government and they changed the legislation to increase the sentence for carrying a knife. Things were bad and we needed to demonstrate we were serious.’


                              They needed to be seen to be doing something while the public health approach rolled out is the implication. There are stats elsewhere which indicate the detection of sharp instruments rose only minimally with the SandS increase.

                              You have a point, but in the same article the ex policeman quoted seems to want to have a dig at the London major, the Met and in fact the success of the Glasgow initative. But then the Spectator has become increasingly right wing under the ownership of the Barclays (Telegraph) and at the time of the article (2018) they were using the officer's comments to attack Corbyn.

                              Context and the full quote are always important.

                                Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 10:18:06, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                Read my post, I stated "amongst other initiatives". You then proceeded to tell me that was not correct, you only have to google it and many media reports mention an increase in stop and search in Glasgow contributed to a decrease in knife crime. "AMONGST OTHER INITIATIVES".

                                The part I quoted was in response to you disbelieving my claim.

                                  Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                  Posted by That's not true on 9/6/2021, 13:05:28, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                  Absolutely no need to get so defensive about it, but I suspect you are trying to make a political point now, and I'm just attempting to paint the fuller picture.

                                  Bye.

                                    Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                    Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 14:11:42, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                    Total bollox my friend. You were wrong, get over it.

                                    Bye.

                              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                              Posted by That's not true on 9/6/2021, 9:23:55, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                              I suggest that you do some research before making claims to support your point.

                  Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                  Posted by 4life on 9/6/2021, 7:27:18, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                  Simple. Have harder punishments if caught with a knife. If found guilty then minimum custodial sentence of 3 years.

                    Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                    Posted by pingu on 9/6/2021, 7:57:32, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                    where exactly are they going to put these people? the prisons are full to the rafters already😂.

                      Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                      Posted by J in C on 9/6/2021, 8:06:33, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                      We could build more prisons i suppose ,

                        Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                        Posted by pingu on 9/6/2021, 8:09:19, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                        then what jimbo? build more? and then more?

                        its a joke.

                        you need to take it back to the root of why are they carrying knives, but like i say, its too late.

                        live your life and hope you or your pals arent on the other side of it because its spiralling out of control quicker than we imagined.

                          Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                          Posted by 4life on 9/6/2021, 8:27:55, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                          If you use that as an argument then we won’t lock up anyone for anything. It’s simple that if the punishment is harsh enough then it will deter more people. If you get a slap on the wrist for littering it’s not as much a deterrent as if you get your hands chopped off. It’s the basis for all law and punishment. The fact is we have become soft on crime and the relevant punishments.

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                            Posted by SAHB on 9/6/2021, 8:32:39, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                            That has been proven to be wrong, if you go to jail once you are most likely to re offend.
                            When I use to get the cane at school it was always the same lads waiting outside the headmasters office.
                            Education, Education Education.

                              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                              Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 8:39:14, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                              Education is important but with gang culture, drug culture, no father at home, no family role models,lack of respect and discipline these crimes seem to manifest easier than in your day at school.

                              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                              Posted by pingu on 9/6/2021, 8:30:30, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                              if we are soft, why are the prisons so full?

                                Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                Posted by Father Ted on 9/6/2021, 12:59:11, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                Prison is too soft nowadays. Private room, own TV, PlayStation etc.
                                23hr lock up no TV no radio, slop bucket. 3 years of that and not many would like to go back.

                                  Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                  Posted by Snuggles McNugget on 9/6/2021, 14:36:31, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                  There's not a lot of evidence to suggest that approach actually works mate. Read up on it.

                              Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                              Posted by SAHB on 9/6/2021, 8:26:30, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                              You are right mate the only thing that would work is good education.
                              The problem is most lads who are not "good" at school are excluded.
                              If you are excluded from school you are four times more likely to end up inside.
                              The money we spend on keeping people in prison should be spent on kids who need a lot of help, Kids with ADHD etc.
                              Because of the race for "results" schools do not facilitate children with learning difficulties enough.
                              The system is broken and those at the top don't give a shit, it would be much cheaper to spend the money in the early years.

                                Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                Posted by Strange times. on 9/6/2021, 8:32:28, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                That education starts in the home.

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                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 9/6/2021, 16:48:51, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                  Eleven years ago, the incoming Coalition government, in pursuit of "austerity", stopped funding the Sure Start initiative which was beginning to have an impact on the children who needed that kind of help.

                                    Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                    Posted by Outdated on 9/6/2021, 19:59:44, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                    Not sure you realise the change in society in the last 11 years.

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                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 9/6/2021, 20:43:50, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                      Would it have changed as much if the programmes designed to try and stop children being drawn into the gang culture had not been scrapped?

                                        Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                        Posted by Outdated on 9/6/2021, 23:05:25, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                        Probably, society as a whole has changed. Gangs, drugs, turf wars will continue to take its toll. The money kids make from drugs trumps any Government programme. Copycat America.

                                    Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                    Posted by Crème Brûlée on 9/6/2021, 8:35:37, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                    A lot of these kids won't have anything resembling the sort of home you or I were fortunate enough to have had. Comparative poverty is most likely the root cause. The widespread casual glamourisation of drug culture doesn't help.

                                  Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                  Posted by pingu on 9/6/2021, 8:30:47, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                  exactly that mate.

                                Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                                Posted by J in C on 9/6/2021, 8:22:26, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                                Never picked up a weapon in anger, my fists where always talented enough, i fully agree with you ,never understood how anyone could put a metal object into another person.

                            Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                            Posted by Peter Griffin on 9/6/2021, 7:37:34, in reply to "Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                            No they save those kind of sentences for football fans having a tear up.

                            Re: rip the lad stabbed outside Challney

                            Posted by pingu on 9/6/2021, 6:53:59, in reply to "rip the lad stabbed outside Challney"

                            too late im afraid.

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