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    Joe Morrell

    Posted by MetalHatter on 4/6/2021, 12:55:36

    Apologies if this has been covered already but when does his contract expire?

    Disappointing first season albeit not given much of an opportunity but clearly talented enough to play an important role with a pretty good Wales team? I'd guess it's partly our system that doesn't suit him and leaves him more vulnerable than the Wales formation does.

    Either way I'm hoping for a strong Euro's performance particular from him as it can only be a good thing. We'll either benefit from watching him actually play and understanding why it hasn't worked here, or he'll kick on and be like a new signing. At the very least it puts him in the shop window if we're looking for resale value.

    Will definitely be watching the Wales games with interest - potentially more interesting than our dire England team.

      Re: Joe Morrell

      Posted by lutonsteve2 on 4/6/2021, 13:18:44, in reply to "Joe Morrell"

      More excited to watch Wales than England? Thatís a joke, right?

        Re: Joe Morrell

        Posted by MetalHatter on 4/6/2021, 14:08:21, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

        Yes - specifically England under Southgate, absolutely awful. Is anyone excited to watch Grealish, Foden and Kane be nullified by inept tactics and playing 5 at the back?

          Re: Joe Morrell

          Posted by Music Critic on 4/6/2021, 14:22:07, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

          Southgate had a shocker in 2018 didn't he?

          And we limped to qualifying for the Euros didn't we?

          I honestly don't know what people want out of England especially as international football has become quite samey and defensive, generally. I'm not a massive England follower so I'm not a cheerleader for them at all but from what I've seen the last 3 or 4 years they have played some nice stuff usually against inferior teams parking the bus... and then it's somehow England's fault if a game turns a bit tedious!

          This boring label has been booting around for years now. Sometimes it was justified but it's now a cliche. I've seen Spain and France and other big nations and they've not been overly exciting to watch at times but are good at other times. Like England

          England friendlies are dull, admittedly, but so are club friendlies

            Re: Joe Morrell

            Posted by Garstang Hatter on 4/6/2021, 14:31:55, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

            I don't think it helps when we play 3/5 at the back and leave plenty of attacking talent on the bench. But to be fair, from what I have seen of the most recent England games, we seem to have gone back to 4 at the back. Now we just need to find the right mix of all that attacking talent - sometimes it isn't about the very best players, sometimes it is about the best combination. Let's hope we get it right.

              Re: Joe Morrell

              Posted by Music Critic on 4/6/2021, 14:43:35, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

              4 at the back is the only way to go but with our weakness being central defence maybe he just wants bodies in that part of the pitch to prevent accidents. But that's where a good defensive midfielder earns his crust

              Tactics aside, in competitive games, I've not been bored by England since Roy Hodgson. Haven't watched every game so might have missed a couple of shockers I suppose

                Re: Joe Morrell

                Posted by Garstang Hatter on 4/6/2021, 15:18:57, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                I wouldn't say that I have been bored either, it was more a comment on perceptions. If you see a reasonable performance from a team, but also see that they have a wealth of talent on the bench which they could have used from the start, then the performance gets viewed more negatively because we haven't "gone for it".

                  Re: Joe Morrell

                  Posted by Music Critic on 4/6/2021, 17:19:29, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                  Most of those viewing the performance tend to be the 'get the ball in the fukking box' and 'get it upfield' types who were probably moaning about us being unimaginative and long ball in the early 90s (which we were and they would have been right to moan)

                  I will take back every word I've said in this thread if he doesn't start Foden and build the whole team around him, of course (fitness permitting)

                    Re: Joe Morrell

                    Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 15:49:30, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                    I still watch England.

                    Obviously, playing five at the back and a double six in midfield against Andorra isn't going to get the blood pumping. But it's incredible how many of these 'Football is a simple game' types can't conceive of the possibility that practising something is probably a better idea than just going into a game against Germany, Spain, France, Portugal or whoever with such a shape, having never done it before.

                    I'll counter the obvious counter of 'why can't we let them worry about us' with a 'because our players, historically, aren't good enough'. We do seem to be getting somewhere now with genuinely creative talent and people who are comfortable receiving the ball in tight areas without shitting is and going for Row Z. We can even maintain sustained posession, it's like magic.

                    Cheers, Jim

                      Re: Joe Morrell

                      Posted by Music Critic on 4/6/2021, 17:15:10, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                      Spot on

              Re: Joe Morrell

              Posted by lutonsteve2 on 4/6/2021, 14:12:18, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

              I will hold judgement until the tournament begins.

              Re: Joe Morrell

              Posted by Holy Bob on 4/6/2021, 13:22:30, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

              Its actually more exciting watching Coronation Street than England Steve. Even Gardeners World for that matter.

                Re: Joe Morrell

                Posted by lutonsteve2 on 4/6/2021, 14:06:48, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                I love watching Corrie and love watching England in tournaments!

                  Re: Joe Morrell

                  Posted by The Outsider on 4/6/2021, 14:48:11, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                  I haven't watched either for years.

                    Re: Joe Morrell

                    Posted by lutonsteve2 on 4/6/2021, 14:53:37, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                    2018 was a great summer!

                      Re: Joe Morrell

                      Posted by The Outsider on 4/6/2021, 16:00:36, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                      Nothing to do with football but, for me, it was probably the worst Summer of my life. Family deaths, Mrs O's fall (can't believe that it will be three years on Sunday since that happened) etc. meant that the World Cup would have had to "take a back seat" even if I had wanted to watch it.

              Re: Joe Morrell

              Posted by Voice of reason on 4/6/2021, 13:11:28, in reply to "Joe Morrell"

              I think it was undisclosed at the time of signing. However, 1 yr contracts are rare so it is likely he has at least another year. He will probably move on with the blessing of LTFC if someone comes in for him. His agent will already be touting him from his own words at the Wales camp.

                Re: Joe Morrell

                Posted by I know on 4/6/2021, 13:24:08, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                I suspect we will never quite know the reasons for his time at LTFC not working out. Not in anyone's interest to put forward he's a bad egg or similar.

                Hopefully he plays well at the Euros, draws some attention to him and gives Luton a chance to recoup whatever money we paid for him.

                Brief glimpses we got suggested a good footballer exists so a pity it hasn't worked.

                  Re: Joe Morrell

                  Posted by The Outsider on 4/6/2021, 13:31:10, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                  Runour* was that the KDH deal going through was the reason for him not playing much - if KDH hadn't signed, Morrell would probably have been a regular starter.

                  * What you read on here is 100% conjecture, fiction, lies, bullshit and complete bollocks.

                    Re: Joe Morrell

                    Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 4/6/2021, 13:30:33, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                    He played a few times and wasn't very good. Rea and Pelly mostly played in his position and have the physicality we needed. Not much more to it than that I expect.

                      Re: Joe Morrell

                      Posted by MetalHatter on 4/6/2021, 14:10:05, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                      I agree he wasn't very good. You're right in that it might simply be the lack of physicality too.. but will be interesting to see how he copes with Wales. Do they have someone more physical alongside him? Or is he the weak link.

                        Re: Joe Morrell

                        Posted by Newport Exile on 4/6/2021, 16:27:08, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                        Will play alongside Joe Allen if Ethan Ampadu isn't fit. Can't play where Rea plays on his own but fine as a double pivot.

                          Re: Joe Morrell

                          Posted by Robbo14 on 4/6/2021, 16:16:54, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                          I'm with Outsider on both Corrie and the England team.Was lucky enough to watch the 1966 World Cup final but since then have not seen much to get excited about and cannot ever see England ever winning a major tournament. And given what the F.A.did to us in 2008, I don't give a monkeys.As I do not have a T.V I haven't seen many internationals, but I was taken as a guest the night Rooney scored his 50th and it was the most tedious experience in over 55 years of watching football.

                            Re: Joe Morrell

                            Posted by Man on 4/6/2021, 17:03:48, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                            On paper this england team looks good, bit t we've said that before, hopefully we don't bottle it when come up against someone decent

                              Re: Joe Morrell

                              Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 17:40:48, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                              That's one of the exciting contradictions for those capable of nuanced thought.

                              i.e. that the pampered millionaire, knee-taking, social-media-bling, snowflakes actually appear to thrive on the pressure that the supposed warhorses used to melt under.

                              I've lost count of how many times 'old-school, hard men' have absolutely shit it when confronted with people who can actually fucking pass the ball. Sit deeper and deeper and deeper, invite pressure, kick someone, go down to ten men, sit ever deeper, invite more pressure and get beat. Best case, make it to penalties and then fail to score five times from 12 yards.

                              I know which I'd rather watch.

                              Cheers, Jim

                                Re: Joe Morrell

                                Posted by MetalHatter on 4/6/2021, 18:55:16, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                I'd love for you to be right! However I can't help but look at the team and wonder where the leaders are.

                                Again I don't want to convert to hard man stereotypes but there's something in it. You need a captain/warrior type in amongst a team of nice guys. Who's it gonna be? Maguire maybe.

                                  Re: Joe Morrell

                                  Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 19:24:43, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                  Do you?

                                  Do you need one massive gobshite or eleven intelligent players able to think for and motivate themselves?

                                  Again, we've had plenty of the former fail and the latter looks more likely to succeed. Largely due to the differences in supposed temperement. And that's without arguing how many of the squad are Captains or 'Leadership' at their own clubs.

                                  Cheers, Jim

                                    Re: Joe Morrell

                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/6/2021, 22:09:24, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                    I agree..

                                    Although not 'hard men'in the normal sense Peps Barca and Man City both had a tough tackler and someone not afraid to do the dirty stuff in Fernandinho and Busquets. Granted both can also play a bit.

                                    Backed up by solid leaders in Puyol and Kompany at the back, Xavi and Silva in the middle and Messi and Aguero up top.

                                    England could have similar in Maguire, Henderson, Kane

                                      Re: Joe Morrell

                                      Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 22:25:55, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                      Yep.

                                      It's total bollocks that you have to have one arm-waving, shouty, dickhead pushing everyone else over the line. It might help in some cases, it might help in others if you've got three or four. Or eleven. It might be more of a hindrance in others. Maybe more if you've got three or four. Or eleven.

                                      The idea that it's the blueprint for succes is just stupid. It's more than likely coincidental in almost all cases.

                                      Cheers, Jim

                                      Re: Joe Morrell

                                      Posted by MetalHatter on 4/6/2021, 20:38:39, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                      Yes, name one successful team without one.

                                      You can't.

                                        Re: Joe Morrell

                                        Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 20:57:40, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                        I can't name more than one successful England team and, again, it featured a number of 'Captains'.

                                        Keep banging the same old drum, one time it'll sound good which 'will prove you right' even though keeping on doing the same thing won't work for another fifty years or so.

                                        Cheers, Jim

                                          Re: Joe Morrell

                                          Posted by Advice please on 4/6/2021, 21:13:19, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                          What anger management courses would you suggest for the midge? Urgent answers please as he is losing it fast.

                                            Re: Joe Morrell

                                            Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:17:23, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                            I'd suggest 'reading some of your witless shit and appreciating how much better off everyone is compared to you'.

                                            Cheers, Jim

                                              Re: Joe Morrell

                                              Posted by Tricentrol on 4/6/2021, 21:20:27, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                              Bath and toaster for you please asap with a ladder to help you get in.

                                                Re: Joe Morrell

                                                Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:24:20, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                If I were you, I would.

                                                Instead, I'm just really enjoying not being.

                                                How fucking awful is it? Oh, you don't really know, do you. You get the occasional glimpse, when that stupid smile slips. That's your 'moment of clarity'. Yes, you're stupid, you're a cunt and nobody would miss you.

                                                Cheers, Jim

                                                  Re: Joe Morrell

                                                  Posted by Tricentrol on 4/6/2021, 21:27:56, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                  Fry midge, fry.

                                                    Re: Joe Morrell

                                                    Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:29:06, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                    Try, gobshite, try.

                                                    Cheers, Jim

                                                      Re: Joe Morrell

                                                      Posted by Tricentrol on 4/6/2021, 21:33:57, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                      Your efforts at playing big midge Ouch.

                                                      https://twitter.com/i/status/1400727717469835271

                                                        Re: Joe Morrell

                                                        Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:42:38, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                        And yet, I'm using my name and you're hiding like a cowardly gobshite.

                                                        Kind of like you're the little one in that clip.

                                                        Cheers, Jim

                                                          Re: Joe Morrell

                                                          Posted by Tricentrol on 4/6/2021, 21:48:02, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                          As I stay calm midge you lash out verbally with anger, the limit of a small man`s faux courage and maximum "bravado". Your perfect portrayal in that wonderful clip.

                                                            Re: Joe Morrell

                                                            Posted by Holy Bob on 4/6/2021, 22:25:28, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                            Warming up in Dubai now isnít it Melters?

                                                              Re: Joe Morrell

                                                              Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 22:28:53, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                              I hope that isn't him. I've been told he's 'alright in real life'.

                                                              Whoever this is is undoubtedly and immediately-obviously a MASSIVE cunt in any 'life' you care to mention.

                                                              Cheers, Jim

                                                              Re: Joe Morrell

                                                              Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:57:29, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                                              No, you're being a cunt. Apparently, you're unaware of this, so I'm just telling you.

                                                              Part of your cuntishness is your pathetic need to believe that you're upsetting me. You're not but go ahead and believe you are. You need it, I don't care.

                                                              Cheers, Jim

                                          Re: Joe Morrell

                                          Posted by Tricentrol on 4/6/2021, 20:15:30, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                          Calm down midge, you seem to be getting more and more agitated these days which is not good for a dicky heart.

                                            Re: Joe Morrell

                                            Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 20:59:43, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                            Again no. Again, you need to believe I am and again you go ahead. You need it, otherwise you'll have to thinl about how little else is going well for you.

                                            My heart's fine, btw. I'd wager I'm twice as fit as you. But then, I'd wager my socks are twice as clever as you.

                                            Bath, toaster, do the decent thing.

                                            Cheers, Jim

                                            Re: Joe Morrell

                                            Posted by Man on 4/6/2021, 19:43:23, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                            Henderson is a leader, i didn't rate him at one time but he's improved into a good player, would be good if he's fit but i doubt he will be

                                              Re: Joe Morrell

                                              Posted by jimmyp on 4/6/2021, 21:01:12, in reply to "Re: Joe Morrell"

                                              Hugely underrated player but I'd rather we did without him than play him half fit in place of someone capable of playing at 100%.

                                              Yet another thing that has never proven to be worth the risk, no matter how many times we've tried it.

                                              Cheers, Jim

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