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    The worlds gone mad

    Posted by Paddy Hatter on 19/11/2020, 10:03:02

    BBC Radio 1 will not play original version of Fairytale of New York by The Pogues and Kirsty MacColl this Christmas, because its audience may be offended by derogatory terms for gender and sexuality


    Fcuk my old boots backwards

      Re: The worlds gone mad

      Posted by Bonzo on 19/11/2020, 15:24:13, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

      The world is run by billionaires, corporations and wankers.

        Re: The worlds gone mad

        Posted by z on 19/11/2020, 14:32:34, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

        Why would any middle age men listen to R1, do you really care about the BBC - the home of cultural Marxism.

          Re: The worlds gone mad

          Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 14:36:27, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

          Oh dear.
          Take off your tinfoil hat.

          Re: The worlds gone mad

          Posted by jimmyp on 19/11/2020, 13:09:41, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

          Good. I fucking hate that song.

          If any snowflake wants to find a reason, ANY reason to ban Slade as well I'd be eternally grateful.

          Feel free to add your own. The Weather Girls, is it? Can't be arsed to google. Sexist, ban them.

          Cheers, Jim

            Re: The worlds gone mad

            Posted by Andy Cappucino on 19/11/2020, 13:24:59, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

            Slade are streets ahead of the shite you post every Friday night

              Re: The worlds gone mad

              Posted by jimmyp on 19/11/2020, 13:36:13, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

              You like Free Bird.

              I can't help it if you only have a little taste.

              Cheers, Jim

                Re: The worlds gone mad

                Posted by 4-4-2 on 19/11/2020, 13:27:13, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                What's your favourite Slade song, Andrew?

                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                  Posted by Giles Chirowodza on 19/11/2020, 14:00:45, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                  Weíll Bring The House Down

              Re: The worlds gone mad

              Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 12:22:00, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

              FONY was written about two dysfunctional people who as Shane Magowan has said were not very nice people and were likely afflicted with substance dependency and prone to using language and behaviour that were not deemed appropriate. The song was released 33 years ago and is a historical song based I believe in the great depression of the 1930s. I am pretty sure ###### and homosexuals and AIDS were not widely in the media spotlight.

              Disapprove of anti-semitism, racism is a redundant term thrown around far too frequently. I take as I find if I dont like you it will be based on my own view not by your colour or your religion or your training shoes.

                Re: The worlds gone mad

                Posted by Bontcho on 19/11/2020, 12:11:11, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                If only there was some kind of website or app where you could listen to literally any song ever released in the last 70 years or so.

                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                  Posted by mmmm on 19/11/2020, 12:05:15, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                  You scumbag you maggot, you cheap lousy ######

                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                    Posted by HH on 19/11/2020, 12:30:47, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                    You scumbag you maggot you taped over Taggart

                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                      Posted by mmmm on 19/11/2020, 17:34:24, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                      I'd never heard that , very good!!

                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                    Posted by HH on 19/11/2020, 11:51:05, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                    That has come around early this year. We're not even out of Poppy shaming season yet.

                    At least we've got the 'Cadburys are banning Easter' campaign in the spring.

                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                      Posted by El Capitain on 19/11/2020, 12:43:07, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                      Early??

                      If anything it's a week late, the THERE BANING ARE CHRISTMAS season traditionally commences on 12 November.

                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                      Posted by The Twitcher on 19/11/2020, 10:48:19, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                      Call someone coloured and the world loses their sh1t but 2 he-shes snogging each other on an advert at 6.00pm is OK.

                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                        Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 10:51:48, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"



                        Oh bless, have you not entered your safe space by 6pm?

                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                          Posted by The Twitcher on 19/11/2020, 10:54:04, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                          I bet you couldn't stop laughing to yourself as you were typing that load of drivel.

                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                            Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 10:58:47, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                            Iíd say I was laughing at you but itís before 6pm

                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                        Posted by hatters1988 on 19/11/2020, 10:43:47, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                        They dubbed it a few years back if I recall correctly, then backtracked when everyone moaned about it.

                        Gets a few more sales I suppose.

                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                          Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 10:27:48, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                          If youíre really upset about not being able to hear a homophobic slur in a Christmas song on Radio 1, you can always listen to it on Radio 2.

                          Or on 6 music if the DJ wants you to.

                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                            Posted by Paddy Hatter on 19/11/2020, 10:32:26, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                            To be fair mate, they should ban "White Christmas" as well if they think FONY is offensive.
                            Maybe ban playing rap music where the term "nig..." is used as that could offend people.
                            I think things should be brought into balance and using common sense
                            A lot of people on Twitter from the LGBT community are up in arms also saying its wrong to ban it

                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                              Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 10:47:19, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                              I havenít listen to Radio 1 for well over 20 years to be honest so I have no idea whether they censor the n-word or not.

                              I have no idea why White Christmas should be banned, perhaps you could enlighten me.

                              As far as FONY is concerned, i donít really care. Iím not offended by the original but at the same time I donít particularly care enough about the lyrics of the song to get upset that some people find the homophobic slur in it unpalatable and would prefer for it not to be played.

                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 14:27:05, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                Would it be seen as a homophobic slur in this country, though?

                                As Kurious orange said above, it's more likely to be found describing a meatball, or as I pointed out, a bundle of sticks.

                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                  Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 14:35:00, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                  Would you use the term?

                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                    Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 14:38:01, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                    Only to describe Mr. Brain's produce or a bundle of sticks if I were about to light a fire.

                                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                                      Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 14:41:35, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                      Right.

                                      But youíre aware what it would mean if someone used the word referring to a person?

                                      Because people do do that.

                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 14:43:18, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                        Do they?

                                        Is it part of the creeping Americanisation of our language encouraged by popular television programmes?

                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                          Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 14:48:28, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                          Yes. Language evolves and ours is heavily influenced by the cultures weíre exposed to, whether by immigration or exposure to media.

                                          Are you genuinely questioning whether people use the term in the UK and suggesting too that it might not be a slur over here?

                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                            Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 15:04:37, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                            I don't use it as such, I don't know anyone who does.

                                            It may be that I have a small circle of friends, family and acquaintances, so the answer to your question is probably yes.

                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                              Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 15:15:42, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                              Ok, fine.

                                              Itís not a slur and no one says it anyway. Glad youíve decided that for us all.

                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                Posted by Bonzo on 19/11/2020, 15:33:40, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                They're having a row, of course it's a slur, cheap and lousy are also slurs. It needs to be seen in the context of the song. It describes a scene. We'll be burning books next, the way we are going.

                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 15:32:40, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                  That's not what I said.

                                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                    Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 15:41:36, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                    Would it be seen as a homophobic slur in this country, though?

                                                    it's more likely to be found describing a meatball, or as I pointed out, a bundle of sticks.

                                                    But youíre aware what it would mean if someone used the word referring to a person?

                                                    Because people do do that.

                                                    Do they?

                                                    Are you genuinely questioning whether people use the term in the UK and suggesting too that it might not be a slur over here?

                                                    the answer to your question is probably yes.

                                                    Youíll have to forgive me then NAG and explain to me what it is youíre saying if it isnít suggesting itís not a slur and saying it isnít used over here.







                                                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 15:48:09, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                      I'm not saying it isn't a slur.
                                                      It's not common among people I know; I don't think I've heard it used as a slur in conversation with real people, i. e. not on the television, and then only American films and programmes.
                                                      Is that clear enough?

                                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                        Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 15:55:57, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                        Ok.

                                                        No idea what your original post questioning whether it was a homophobic slur in this country was all about then.

                                                        So glad we had this little chat.

                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                  Posted by jimmyp on 19/11/2020, 13:12:32, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                  I think you'd be reasonably safe to have a complete guess that Radio One don't play any songs with the n-word in. Probably ever.

                                  Cheers, Jim

                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 10:19:50, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                              They say that as if offending the type of people that get offended by that type of thing is somehow a bad thing . . .

                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                Posted by Nev the bear on 19/11/2020, 10:13:23, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                                Its forced equality which will never work Animal Farm comes to mind

                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                  Posted by RADSB on 19/11/2020, 10:10:33, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                                  Scumbags and Maggots can stop their protests now.

                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                    Posted by City Gent on 19/11/2020, 10:56:09, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                    Readership of Outlaws increases proportionally...

                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                    Posted by Voice of reason on 19/11/2020, 10:09:58, in reply to "The worlds gone mad"

                                    The weather department will be barred from using the term snowflakes in case the guardians of our morality are offended.

                                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                                      Posted by El Capitain on 19/11/2020, 10:34:46, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                      No group spends more time being offended that those who constantly bang on about "snowflakes"

                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                        Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 10:50:07, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                        Indeed.

                                        And the Venn diagram of people getting upset about Radio 1 censoring Fairytale of New York and those being triggered by the Sainsburyís Christmas advert is a near perfect circle.

                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                          Posted by mmmm on 19/11/2020, 12:09:08, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                          Probably better shown as a pie chart tbh.

                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                            Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 12:09:48, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                            With gravy?

                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                            Posted by Nick PBH on 19/11/2020, 11:16:11, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                            Actually very clever marketing by sainsburys. Put an advert out that the vocal reaction would be clear to (has anyone mentioned they actually put out 2 adverts - the other one is a bit depressing really) - and let the social media publicity machine do its work

                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                            Posted by The Twitcher on 19/11/2020, 10:41:35, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                            OK, if you say so Snowflake.

                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                              Posted by El Capitain on 19/11/2020, 10:42:58, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                              QED

                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 10:53:48, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                Offense is taken not given.

                                                World full of people being offended on others behalf. If you dont like it turn it over FFS

                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                  Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 10:56:23, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                  Competition to re-write censored lyrics.

                                                  You scumbag you maggot you taped over taggart.

                                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                    Posted by Dirk on 19/11/2020, 11:26:52, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                      Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 10:58:16, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                      Will Wizards I wish it could be Christmas every day be censored for it rampant celebration of using Cocaine ?

                                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                        Posted by crumpsall on 19/11/2020, 11:05:09, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                        Well, it might be if enough squawking Daily Mail, 'they've banned Christmas, what next' twitter parrots (like you maybe?) rail on about it.

                                                        All quite amusing, seeing the unfounded outrage of those who call others 'snowflakes'.

                                                        In a sad sort of way.

                                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                          Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 11:03:02, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                          Probably not. But then a ďcelebration of using CocaineĒ isnít really the equivalent of homophobia.

                                                          Unless youíre definitely some sort of snowflake (pun intended)

                                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                            Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 11:11:19, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                            But is directly linked to high proportion of crime which costs us all.

                                                            ######t is a food item long before it was used as a term to describe homosexuals. Made from left overs and the reference maybe regarding his wealth and inability to look after himself / her financially. After all the song is about a dysfunctional heterosexual relationship.

                                                            Offence taken not given

                                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                              Posted by Nearly a Genius on 19/11/2020, 14:23:24, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                              Also a bundle of sticks with which to light a fire.

                                                              Perhaps the banners fear they are condoning arson.

                                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 11:19:03, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                You keep saying ďoffence is taken, not given.Ē

                                                                Does that include anti-semitism and racism? Or just the kind of offence you donít really care about?

                                                                Asking for a former leader of the Labour Party.

                                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 11:52:40, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                  I'd say it's a reasonable thing to suggest. The song is 33 years old and has been enjoyed by millions of people over a long time before anyone found it offensive.

                                                                  If you believe that at the time MacGowan was trying to be homopohobic when he wrote the lyrics then maybe there is a point but I very much doubt he was.

                                                                  As it is it's a 33 year old song written at a time when no-one batted an eyelid over the use of the word. People need to be mature enough to see it for what it is rather than some kind of promotion of homophobia.

                                                                  I think in this case it is reasonable to characterise this as offence being "taken" rather than "given".

                                                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                    Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 12:05:07, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                    It may well be true in this case. But that glib Ricky Gervais quote isnít a blanket all explanation about the nature of offence.

                                                                    My point really is that some people find it offensive and that there are plenty of ways of hearing the original if you really want to, rather than getting all upset that some outlets are choosing to censor it. If you donít want to hear the censored version, then choose another outlet, or better still, buy the original so that you can listen to it to your heartís content.

                                                                    Itís not the first time itís been censored either. The annual outrage (from both ďsidesĒ) is just so predictable and tiresome.

                                                                    But looking further into it, i find it interesting that it appears that Kirsty MacColl chose to censor her own singing of it shortly after release. Iíve read too that Shane McGowen has said that whilst he meant no offence (which I fully believe) he has no problem with it being censored if people want to.

                                                                    And finally, itís absolutely not true bye that it was written at a time when nobody battered an eyelid about use of the word. It was written pretty much at the height of the AIDS epidemic in New York and it was a term that back then was loaded with hatred and malice.

                                                                      Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                      Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 12:24:35, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                      I agree on the quote, of course it isn't but personally I think it fits well enough here.

                                                                      And yes maybe the outrage is tiresome, and like you say we can hear the original just fine but what's important to me is the principle and direction we are taking which this is just a small example of. We are taking what I believe is an innocent use of a rhyming word and labelling it "homophobic" and "offensive" which I think trivialises the concepts. We're so busy "prosecuting" this kind of thing and labeling people "homophobic" or "racist" when they really aren't that I think we're in danger of losing the wood among the trees.

                                                                      I think we need people to be mature enough to differentiate and not take offence at this kind of example so we can concentrate on the genuine Hate Crimes and work to eradicate them. The modern tendency to lump everything into these zero tolerance, one size fits all buckets is counter-productive and creates more problems than it solves.

                                                                      Or at least I think it does!

                                                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                        Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 12:38:52, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                        I largely agree with you. Where I donít is that this is part of a direction weíre now taking (my inference from your words to be fair) itís been a slow evolution (MacColl felt uncomfortable with it enough back in 1992 to change it.)

                                                                        For me, the outrage at the story is just another incarnation of the Winterval story, or Cadburyís banning the word Easter from their eggs.

                                                                        But when it comes to whether itís offensive or not, I can only base my opinion (or more accurately my understanding) on my experience and the decisions I have to actually make about what might be found offensive when it comes to broadcasting (I have to make determinations on this pretty much every day)

                                                                        Would I use that section of the track on a broadcast? No, I absolutely wouldnít. But equally I wouldnít label someone who prefers the original version homophobic.



                                                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 12:54:39, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                          I definitely see your viewpoint about what you would choose to broadcast and I don't envy you that part of your job in the slightest! And I wouldn't use the term ###### in any meeting I went to either.

                                                                          I do very strongly think that we are going too far though and that it is counter-productive. I think the view in your last paragraph I totally agree with but unfortunately that's not the direction we're heading in.

                                                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                            Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 13:29:40, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                            I honestly think itís out of a desire to get it right (certainly in my experience)

                                                                            And yes, some of it is happening pretty fast now. Only last week did I learn that the relatively new term B.A.M.E is now a term best avoided in preference of more specificity (and never to be said as a word rather than an acronym)


                                                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 13:45:18, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                              Yes, I think the intention is good but the result is not going to be what we need.

                                                                              Oh Lord, I think that illustrates the point fairly well!

                                                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 13:53:02, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                It does to point. But no one is saying that people who use B.A.M..E are racists (and, a bit like with ďpeople of colourĒ there is a difference of opinion on it).

                                                                                As I said I think itís just part of an ongoing dialogue to do the right thing..

                                                                                Now, what about ďBaby, itís cold outsideĒ

                                                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                  Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 14:06:48, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                  Racist

                                                                                  Anyway you can see that the lyrics of the song are being described as "homophobic". It's a process and possibly B.A.M.E is just at the start of it.

                                                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                        Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 12:07:37, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                        Batted. Obviously

                                                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 12:28:11, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                          I didn't even spot that

                                                                          And on that last point it's clear no-one batted an eyelid about the use of the word in this context because it wasn't censored here until 20 years after it was released.

                                                                          And, the song is likely set quite some decades earlier.

                                                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                            Posted by Journeyman on 19/11/2020, 12:40:43, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                            MacColl censored it in 1992

                                                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 12:55:36, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                              She did true, but no organisation saw fit to censor it.

                                                                        Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                        Posted by Hack on 19/11/2020, 12:00:49, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                        Do you think they should run un-edited repeats of Mind Your Language and Love Thy Neighbour Then?

                                                                          Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                          Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 12:31:25, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                          I have honestly never seen an episode of either of them so it's a bit tough to say.

                                                                          From what I've seen in clips of "Love Thy Neighbour" I thought most of the humour was how stupid the main character looked because of his prejudices. Maybe I missed the point but it seemed to be making jokes at the expense of racists and how ridiculous their views were. No?

                                                                            Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                            Posted by Hack on 19/11/2020, 12:37:42, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                            Maybe not the best example. Was being deliberately over-facetious to make a point that I don't believe we can use the intentions or attitudes of the past as a justification.

                                                                            Fact is, no song with the word '######' in would ever, ever, be played uncensored currently on national radio. It's been censored in Eminem tracks for years. If we're prepared to give stuff a pass just because it was ok 30+ years ago then there's all sorts of awful stuff from the 70s and beyond which we could trot out.

                                                                            This is a case of a song being edited on one network (this literally only applies to R1, it's still being played in original form on R2.) As is always the case it's a storm in a teacup, made worse by the BBC making a big deal out of it. If they hadn't made a hoo-ha and announced it then I don't think anyone would probably even have questioned it.

                                                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                              Posted by Mahatma Gander on 19/11/2020, 13:00:34, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                              Yes, like I said elsewhere, it's not that this example is important per se, it's the overall direction that concerns me.

                                                                              And while I agree that we can't let the attitudes of the past "justify" anything I do think "intention" is a vital component of understanding anything. I do not believe that "######" was used in any way with the intention of being "offensive" in the song.

                                                                              And as I've said above, this example per se is not important. It's the overall direction that concerns me.

                                                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                Posted by Hack on 19/11/2020, 12:38:21, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                To make my point, boardhost censored it when I wrote it in full.

                                                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                  Posted by 4-4-2 on 19/11/2020, 13:26:03, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                  It's US owned - I think.

                                                                                  You can't even put an "s" in front to depict someone laughing / smirking.

                                                                                  The beaten finalists in 2009 can't be properly mentioned. Probably how they would want it to be!

                                                                              Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                              Posted by Smoke Road on 19/11/2020, 12:28:27, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                              When I used to teach - some years ago now... I taught at a predominantly non white school and we had a course on social History of Britain post war which included the influx of overseas commonwealth workers to fill jobs here which naturally included reactions to their arrivals. (Famous textbook photo of boarding house notice stating non acceptible potential residents)

                                                                              I actually used some episodes from 'Love Thy Neighbour' to explore 1970's attitudes. The kids thought it was hilarious and several asked to borrow the DVD's because their parents wanted to watch it. They particularly liked the fact that Joan and Barbie got on so well but Eddie and Bill are fierce rivals and Bill always wins and makes Eddie look daft.
                                                                              Other elements that were explored were that the immigrant family were conservative compared to the hardcore labour socialist views of Eddie the Englishman

                                                                              As a series it was greatly misunderstood

                                                                              Shame as it was pretty funny but you would get peole aping Eddies language and behaviour if it was shown today

                                                                                Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                Posted by Kurious oranj on 19/11/2020, 12:26:25, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                Well said Mahatma

                                                                                  Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                  Posted by Suffolk Punch on 19/11/2020, 12:45:52, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                  It appears nowadays that any company advertising on TV is going out of their way to appear inclusive and demonstrate that it's not racist.

                                                                                  Watching mainstream adverts that show family situations, you could be excused for thinking that mixed race is now the norm. This wasn't the case a couple of years ago. Doesn't bother me but it's very predictable.

                                                                                    Re: The worlds gone mad

                                                                                    Posted by Beano on 19/11/2020, 14:01:07, in reply to "Re: The worlds gone mad"

                                                                                    I take it nobody, including R1, watched Irvine Welsh's documentary Offended on Sky last night.

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