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    Scousers and covid

    Posted by Garghill Hatter on 15/10/2020, 19:36:31

    If the fair majority of them carry on as if there is no serious disease, then you get what you deserve. The rest of us need to take it seriously

      Re: Scousers and covid

      Posted by EastEnder on 15/10/2020, 21:30:38, in reply to "Scousers and covid"

      Yeah they only have 4 universities.

      Maybe it's not the scousers?

        Re: Scousers and covid

        Posted by The Orange Salopian on 16/10/2020, 9:05:54, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

        The scousers I know don't give a flying fcuk. They actually believe that this is a government attack on Labour voting northern areas and the figures are all lies and they are the only ones getting tested, you couldn't make it up.

        There is absolutely no way they can more infections than the south because in the south the trains are all packed and everyone is partying but Boris is looking after his southern mates.

        Re: Scousers and covid

        Posted by icancyu on 15/10/2020, 21:08:03, in reply to "Scousers and covid"

        Always Hillsborough, never Heysel.

          Re: Scousers and covid

          Posted by Andy Cappucino on 15/10/2020, 20:15:34, in reply to "Scousers and covid"

          Tbf they are not whining like Manchester

            Re: Scousers and covid

            Posted by bbb on 15/10/2020, 22:07:40, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

            Manchester is 'whining'?

            PROVE IT

              Re: Scousers and covid

              Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 21:12:10, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

              You come out with some clueless, ignorant crap - but that one caps most of it.

                Re: Scousers and covid

                Posted by EastEnder on 15/10/2020, 21:32:46, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                University cities.

                Liverpool. Newcastle and Manchester seem to be struggling..

                Not sure why everyone is blaming the locals.

                  Re: Scousers and covid

                  Posted by The Orange Salopian on 16/10/2020, 9:07:20, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                  Are there no universities in London. What about Knowsley, no university there.

                    Re: Scousers and covid

                    Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 21:34:33, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                    Yep.

                    That's also why deaths aren't showing a massive increase in line with the rise in cases (positive tests)

                      Re: Scousers and covid

                      Posted by EastEnder on 15/10/2020, 21:38:53, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                      Exactly.

                      Also London has lots of foreign students.

                      Who probably haven't come.

                      Which explains why London not as bad as the above cities.

                    Re: Scousers and covid

                    Posted by Andy Cappucino on 15/10/2020, 21:15:39, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                    How so?

                      Re: Scousers and covid

                      Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 21:23:10, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                      You are seriously calling standing up to the Government and demanding a better thought out, better funded and fairer (compared to other areas) solution than their arbitrary, headless chicken decisions 'whining'?

                      Burnham is worth ten of Hancock and his clueless cronies.

                      When we, as a club and as fans, stood up to C&R, the FA, the FL, Mahwinney and all the others who wanted to commit us to destruction - did you call that 'whining'?

                      Why do you think the North West is pissed off with central government? Do you actually know anything about this??

                        Re: Scousers and covid

                        Posted by Father ted on 15/10/2020, 22:19:53, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                        Have to say I agree 100%. Fair play to Burnham, would make a great labour leader if he decided to go for it.

                          Re: Scousers and covid

                          Posted by Maillot Jaune on 16/10/2020, 0:11:54, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                          He did decide to go for it and came a distant second to Corbyn.

                            Re: Scousers and covid

                            Posted by Father ted on 16/10/2020, 0:16:05, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                            Think he should try again.

                              Re: Scousers and covid

                              Posted by Maillot Jaune on 16/10/2020, 8:28:26, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                              Fair enough.

                            Re: Scousers and covid

                            Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 22:21:41, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                            Indeed. He has come on a lot since his earlier days and is a superb Mayor - for the people he represents, not for his own ego.

                            Re: Scousers and covid

                            Posted by Andy Cappucino on 15/10/2020, 21:39:40, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                            And Burnham's well thought out solution is to piggy back Starmer's national circuit breaker plan, i.e. to fix a problem that doesn't currently exist across the majority of the country. Would you seriously be supporting that if it wasn't Starmer's idea? Btw this has nothing to do with our club, cheap shot.

                              Re: Scousers and covid

                              Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 21:43:38, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                              Cheap shot? You've earned a few of those.

                              Where did you get that about what you say is Burnham's solution?

                              This has nothing to do with Starmer as far as I'm concerned.

                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                Posted by Dear me on 15/10/2020, 21:41:29, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                Spot on.

                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                Posted by EastEnder on 15/10/2020, 21:34:25, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                Anyone who actually did anything to stand up to Jayten etc. are not the people standing up to anything now.

                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                  Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 21:29:35, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                  There are plenty of people who have been calling for a better thought out solutions for many months now. Often we're called conspiracy theorists.

                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                    Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 21:35:28, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                    I thought you would try and claim that point...but actually, it is very, very different to the majority of the conspiracy bollocks you post. I suggest that you go away and read what Andy Burnham is saying. It bears no resemblance to your nonsense. It does, however, tally very well with what I have consistently said about the government.

                                      Re: Scousers and covid

                                      Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 21:48:09, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                      I've read what he has been saying.

                                      I agree with a lot of what he says although perhaps obviously I disagree with him in regards to another national lockdown. I think the Mayor of Middlesbrough speaks a lot of sense as well.

                                      I also think perhaps you and I agree on a lot in regards to the current government.

                                      I don't post conspiracy theories. I thought as a board we'd got past this. Facts and my opinions only. I dont think there's a NWO behind this. I don't think lizard people run the planet.

                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 21:52:49, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                        'As a board'? You speak for yourself and no one else. And the same applies to me. I think you have posted links to many conspiracy claims.

                                          Re: Scousers and covid

                                          Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 21:58:35, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                          Name one

                                            Re: Scousers and covid

                                            Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 22:05:06, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                            I can't be arsed. I have said before, I'm done with your nonsense.

                                            Your links to covid denying conspiracies from various sources, including the Mail (ffs!) are probably beyond the duration of the Search facility by now.

                                            And if you seriously think I or anyone else would keep some other sort of record of your postings you are even more egotistical and deluded than I already considered you to be.

                                            You know what you have posted. So do I. You started off by claiming it was no worse than flu (don't deny it) and you've carried on along those lines ever since. Day in, day out.

                                              Re: Scousers and covid

                                              Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 22:09:27, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                              For everyone under the age of 44 it is no worse than the flu. In fact for children and infants the flu is worse. That is a fact, not a conspiracy theory. As I have said, this coronavirus targets the vulnerable (elderly, ill, obese etc) for whom, yes, it is worse than the flu.

                                              I dont expect anyone to keep a record but if you think I talk about conspiracy theories I'd like to think you can remember at least one of them.

                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                Posted by crumpsall on 15/10/2020, 22:20:08, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                Governments using the virus to take control as a plot, not just them exploiting it - that'll do for starters as one of the conspiracy theories you have promoted.


                                                And by the way - saying 'that's a fact' doesn't make something a fact, it never will.

                                                Good night. Enjoy spending your time searching for spurious arguments to support your opinion. Heaven knows, you seem to do an awful lot of that.

                                                Why you have chosen to use this board to evangelise, heaven also knows. I certainly don't. From 'occasional poster' to obsessed multiposter, odd.

                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                  Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 22:23:04, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                  I dont think it was a pre-planned plot but they are certainly taking advantage, yes.

                                                  No, true. But unless NHS stats are wrong it is a fact.

                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                  Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 22:17:46, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                  Thinking that people remember anything you post ?
                                                  Yep, you are a nutter.

                                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                                    Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 22:13:47, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                    I have never been to a person under the age of 44 who has died of the flu. My colleagues and I are going to people under that age who are dying of Covid-19.

                                                    You're mentally unwell Sid.

                                                      SAGE

                                                      Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 8:00:09, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                      https://lockdownsceptics.org/what-sage-got-wrong/

                                                      I know it's a lockdown sceptics link so many of you wont like it, but it's written by a scientist and an expert in this field. He explains why SAGE is getting in wrong and how we're weeks away from this being over

                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                        Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 22:21:35, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                        I'm not saying covid doesnt kill people under the age of 44, just that it kills a massive amount less of those people, as shown by high survival rate % of that age group.

                                                        Regardless of what you and your colleagues have been doing current NHS stats back up what I'm saying

                                                          Re: Scousers and covid

                                                          Posted by HH on 15/10/2020, 22:25:09, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                          Is there a link to the stats? I'm interested in how they compare.

                                                            Re: Scousers and covid

                                                            Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 22:59:28, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                            Here's a quick link.

                                                            About half way down it explains children and infants have more risk from the flu

                                                            https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

                                                              Re: Scousers and covid

                                                              Posted by HH on 15/10/2020, 23:08:59, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                              Cheers.

                                                              This bit? The risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19. However, infants and children with underlying medical conditions are at increased risk for both flu and COVID-19.

                                                              I can't say I disagree with that claim. But equally, I'm intrigued to see these NHS stats for mortality for those under the age of 44 suffering from flu vs covid.

                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 23:11:03, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                Sid tells us he only deals in "facts".

                                                                Hopefully those will be forthcoming soon.

                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                  Posted by HH on 15/10/2020, 23:37:36, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                  I've just looked into it myself.

                                                                  Not right up to date and not 100% sure of the source on statista.com but here we are:

                                                                  Deaths from Flu under the age of 44 in England & Wales in 2018 = 52

                                                                  https://www.statista.com/statistics/970800/influenza-deaths-by-age-and-gender-england-wales/

                                                                  Deaths from CV19 this year alone in just England up until October 1st under the age of 40 = 231

                                                                  Table 2 - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/COVID-19-total-announced-deaths-15-October-2020-weekly-file.xlsx

                                                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                    Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 7:42:27, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                    I haven't got time today to filter out the key bits but
                                                                    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/annual-flu-reports

                                                                    Its worth bearing in mind that we have a vaccine for flu, and flu deaths are not counted in the same way Coronavirus deaths are, so yes coronavirus deaths for people 18-44 are higher than flu deaths for that age range.
                                                                    It is hard to do a full comparison due to the difference in the way deaths are counted. Don't forget as well people aged 18-44ish (different bandings are used depending on the country) have a 99.8% survival rate.

                                                                      Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                      Posted by HH on 16/10/2020, 7:55:10, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                      So you've not got any NHS stats to back up your claim?

                                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                        Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 7:58:28, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                        No because it is impossible due to the way coronavirus deaths are counted.

                                                                          Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                          Posted by HH on 16/10/2020, 8:06:29, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                          You claimed last night NHS stats proved your claim Covid was no worse than a flu for those under 44 was a fact.

                                                                          And now, when there has been some stats proving otherwise you're claiming the stats aren't reliable.

                                                                            Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                            Posted by 4-4-2 on 16/10/2020, 9:19:49, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                            Good work on finding out that information.

                                                                            What a surprise though. Sid makes a "statistical", claim only for it to be just another random bit of obsessed bollocks to suit his narrative.

                                                                              Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                              Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 8:27:57, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                              Yes and I was mistaken. I knew it did for children and infants but I thought I had stats for actual Covid deaths for people up to 50.

                                                                              I can't find them now so I can't link to them. I can now only find the Covid stats on the NHS website, which cannot be compared to flu stats due to the way Covid deaths are counted.

                                                                              In any case 231 deaths is hardly anything compared to the amount of 18-40 year olds there are. Although obviously tragic for their families.

                                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                Posted by 4-4-2 on 16/10/2020, 9:23:16, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                Asperger's. Right there.

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by HH on 16/10/2020, 9:12:38, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  Yeah, it's not a lot. But it's a lot more than flu!

                                                                                    FAO HH

                                                                                    Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 22:15:38, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                    Re our discussion earlier..

                                                                                    Still almost impossible to compare due to how covid deaths are counted and the fact that we don't know how many people have had covid (potentially and probably hundreds of thousands more than we thought). But, new study by a leading epidemiologist shows that the IFR (infection fatality rate) of Covid for healty people under 70†could†be as low as 0.05. The flu, by comparison, is 0.1.

                                                                                    I know it's a Mail link but...

                                                                                    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8843927/Just-0-05-healthy-70s-Covid-19-die-disease-study-claims.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR0hJMy3KZJGJqHEO7u_-76KLWyZmuraXlVRMxFWUfbV__d4vEoz_fhHDCk&fbclid=IwAR0IT3XqKgB8xAlZAjw5YaAGI-wLQ7m90IfU8vDphyBdb88HFW4NQIlK-6g

                                                                                      Re: FAO HH

                                                                                      Posted by Journeyman on 16/10/2020, 22:27:22, in reply to "FAO HH"

                                                                                      Have you actually read the article? I genuinely hope you havenít because nobody could be that straw clutchingly desperate.

                                                                                        Re: FAO HH

                                                                                        Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 22:31:55, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                        I have.

                                                                                        It gets all the usual criticism that any paper challenging the current narrative gets.

                                                                                        Ionnadis is an expert and has been for a long time. They are using a student to try and discredit him.
                                                                                        His study is also backed up by a separate study I linked to earlier that comes to a similar conclusion. It also had a good criticism of SAGE, pointing out that there are 7 mathematicians on the panel but no epidemiologists.

                                                                                          Re: FAO HH

                                                                                          Posted by Journeyman on 16/10/2020, 22:42:42, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                          The usual criticism?

                                                                                          What, like not being peer reviewed?

                                                                                          ďAn analysis they published in April found that between 2.5 and 5.2 per cent of residents in Santa Clara, California, tested positive for Covid-19 antibodies. That meant the number of infected people in the county was 50 to 80 times higher than officials had reported.

                                                                                          But the study was not peer-reviewed by other scientists, many noticed the way calculations were made was not explained, and several found mistakes in the methodology.

                                                                                          In Version 2, the team walked back its earlier estimates and said only 2.8 per cent of Santa Clara residents contracted the virus but didn't know they were ill.

                                                                                          That was 54 times more than the 956 confirmed cases that had been counted in the area as of April 1.

                                                                                          The university is now investigating the research to see if the analysts were politically motivated or inaccurate and misleading.

                                                                                          The findings, published by Dr Jayanta Bhattacharya, Dr John Ioannidis and Dr Eran Bendavid, were astounding because they meant the virus was much more widespread and that the death toll was much lower than believed.

                                                                                          However, not long after version 1 came out, criticism started pouring in.

                                                                                          Some experts critiqued the antibody test the researchers used, which was not approved by the US Food and Drug Administration.

                                                                                          Others said that, because volunteers were recruited via Facebook, the participants were not random nor representative of the county.

                                                                                          Additionally, the raw percentage of people who tested positive for antibodies was 1.5 percent, significantly lower than the final percentage the researchers published.

                                                                                          A few weeks later, the revision was published saying that the estimated rate of infection was on the low end of their initial predictions.Ē

                                                                                          I mean, ignoring that itís a link you yourself provided, itís not a particularly damning piece of supporting evidence is it?

                                                                                            Re: FAO HH

                                                                                            Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 22:56:13, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                            Doesn't say who those experts are though, does it? In that excerpt you've posted, I mean. I know further down the article it does name them but ultimately ionnadis is an expert on this and people will disagree of his findings differ from theres. Hopefully he responds to the criticisms.

                                                                                            Did you read the link I posted in this thread earlier? Makes a similar claim and mentions that we already live with several coronaviruses and have done for a long time, which is why some people have a natural immunity.

                                                                                              Re: FAO HH

                                                                                              Posted by Journeyman on 17/10/2020, 6:30:24, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                              ďIt doesnít say who they are but it names them further down the article?Ē

                                                                                              Er... ok.

                                                                                              Re: FAO HH

                                                                                              Posted by Journeyman on 16/10/2020, 22:56:02, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                              And no epidemiologists on Sage?

                                                                                              Thatís just plainly not true.

                                                                                                Re: FAO HH

                                                                                                Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 23:02:05, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                                Immumologists then, from the link earlier
                                                                                                In spring, membership of SAGE was initially treated like a state secret. Eventually, membership was revealed. I will say that, for myself, I was disappointed. I looked up the credentials of all the members. There were no clinical immunologists. No one who had a biology degree and a post-doctoral qualification in immunology. A few medics, sure. Several people from the humanities including sociologists, economists, psychologists and political theorists. No clinical immunologists. What there were in profusion Ė seven in total Ė were mathematicians.

                                                                                                  Re: FAO HH

                                                                                                  Posted by Journeyman on 17/10/2020, 6:03:14, in reply to "Re: FAO HH"

                                                                                                  Do you honestly think an immunologist is the same thing as an epidemiologist, or is this another attempt at twisting what evidence you think you have to support your point and in so doing getting it wrong?

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by To state the obvious on 16/10/2020, 8:06:20, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  But you're always saying NHS's own stats back up your claims! Very evasive and selective, Lockdown Sceptics seems to be your main source and the name says it all.

                                                                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                    Posted by Doctor Foster on 16/10/2020, 8:30:00, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                    Lockdown Sceptics is far from my only source but it is worth a read, even if you don't agree.

                                                                                    I posted that Irish Times ad yesterday which hasn't been in Lockdown Sceptics. I've also just been sent another interesting looking link not on Lockdown Sceptics that I will read later and post if it's any good.

                                                                                      Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 16/10/2020, 12:44:52, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                      Please don't.
                                                                                      It'll only show that you are completely gullible.

                                                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                        Posted by 4-4-2 on 16/10/2020, 9:16:29, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                        Is there another equally tragic individual who sends you these "links", Sid?

                                                                                          Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                          Posted by To state the obvious on 16/10/2020, 8:37:58, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                          Please don't bother. I'm sure you've got more worthwhile things to do with your time, and I know for certain that I have.

                                                                            Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                            Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 23:01:08, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                            you twat.

                                                                              Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                              Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 23:00:53, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                              But you specifically mentioned the under 44s. Any stats on the age group from say 18 - 43?

                                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 23:08:19, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                I have backed up my claim that for children and infants flu is worse.

                                                                                I'll have a look at the latest stats tomorrow for that age range.

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 23:09:32, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  But you specifically mentioned those under 44 Sid.

                                                                                  Did you mean to say under 4?

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 23:02:06, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  He really is tragic.

                                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                Posted by Doctor Foster on 15/10/2020, 22:55:03, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                Happy to send an actual link in the morning but if you're keen to look now it's all there on the government and nhs websites

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 22:57:36, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  Come on Sid. You made the claim and have obviously got some up to date stats from a reputable source.

                                                                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                    Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 22:58:42, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                    And here's your claim "For everyone under the age of 44 it is no worse than the flu".

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 22:46:48, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                Posted by bbb on 15/10/2020, 22:19:51, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                I get you are on the front line, so genuine question. What sort of number are we looking at, that you've had to go out to, in the age group mentioned, that have later passed away? With no underlying health issue?

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by 4-4-2 on 15/10/2020, 22:37:22, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  There is such a thing as patient confidentiality and some of those cases could be identified because of the young age of those involved.

                                                                                  The two cases I have referred to previously were not patients of mine. One was a friend and the other was a relative of a colleague. That person who died as a result of Covid-19 was 28 and had no medical problems whatsoever prior to falling ill.

                                                                                  Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                  Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 22:25:51, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                  800 under 50 have die. Does that help ?
                                                                                  Have not got access to medical records but anything from overweight, blood pressure to cancer is underlying.

                                                                                    Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                    Posted by bbb on 15/10/2020, 22:28:57, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                    If you're going to jump in on a question I asked someone else, at least come out with the full story.

                                                                                      Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                      Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 22:30:24, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                      Not the answer you wanted ? Boo hoo.

                                                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                                        Posted by bbb on 15/10/2020, 22:39:54, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                                        Seeing as you weren't asked and you refuse to tell the full story, let's be honest, you're post was more than a bit pointless.

                                                                                        I imagine somewhere in your head, you'll take that as a result. Boo hoo indeed.

                                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                        Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 21:51:28, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                        You just post bollox to be fair.
                                                                        Are you a lizard ?

                                                                        Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                        Posted by Foxy on 15/10/2020, 21:46:06, in reply to "Re: Scousers and covid"

                                                                        F the Tories.

                                                              Re: Scousers and covid

                                                              Posted by ALF on 15/10/2020, 19:49:05, in reply to "Scousers and covid"

                                                              Letís hope they do get it

                                                                Re: Scousers and covid

                                                                Posted by mill street on 15/10/2020, 19:47:10, in reply to "Scousers and covid"

                                                                That famous scouse sense of humour will pull them through

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