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    Ricky Hill again

    Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 10:46:38

    He makes a good point - he wasn't appointed until 10th July - 2 months after most other teams had started their pre-season preparations and signings.

    BFJ the following Summer had more time to line up signings - although Coyne and JLV didn't arrive until late, and were a bit better than Rocky Baptiste and Peter Thomson.

      Re: Ricky Hill again

      Posted by Wingnut on 31/7/2020, 14:03:37, in reply to "Ricky Hill again"

      Almost every supporter loved him and still do, so many wanted him to succeed and it is a shame he didn't (for whatever reason)...his stats aren't good reading...but...he has been reasonably successful since then from what I understand...

      Thing is I believe he would add something to the club and it is important to keep ex players like him involved, in some capacity (not necessarily as part of NJ's coaching team)...

      Im not sure whats happened behind the scenes...but Ricky should accept the past and not take too much notice of WALT opinion polls IMHO...

        Re: Ricky Hill again

        Posted by RADSB on 31/7/2020, 10:50:52, in reply to "Ricky Hill again"

        He wasn't given enough time. Most people I knew at the time said we should stick with him even if we go down. A great shame that he was treated like he was.

          Re: Ricky Hill again

          Posted by Garstang Hatter on 31/7/2020, 10:58:04, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

          Big Mick in the -30 season is probably the comparison - a legend stepping in to try and sort out the mess we were in, and not managing it (although we will never forget that day at Wembley, of course). But with 2020 at the helm, Mick was given the time which Ricky wasn't.

          It's not their fault that he wasn't given time though, and even if he wants a role at the club they can't really impose him upon a manager - the manager will want to select his own backroom staff. So I'm not sure what he is hoping for, to be honest.

            Re: Ricky Hill again

            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 31/7/2020, 11:37:48, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

            As much as I love Ricky, the situation of the -30 season was orders of magnitude tougher than the one he was left with. I take the point Hill makes for sure but as a comparison with the -30 season I don't think it really works.

              Re: Ricky Hill again

              Posted by Garstang Hatter on 31/7/2020, 11:39:01, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

              Agreed, I should have said the closest comparison - they weren't exactly like-for-like, though.

                Re: Ricky Hill again

                Posted by Mahatma Gander on 31/7/2020, 11:53:11, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                Fair enough, and that's not to under-estimate the difficulties Hill faced either.

              Re: Ricky Hill again

              Posted by The Outsider on 31/7/2020, 11:12:41, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

              I am not on Twitter but heard about his comments so had a look. I get the impression that it all started because We Are Luton Town called him the worst manager in the club's history.

                Re: Ricky Hill again

                Posted by StanBaker on 31/7/2020, 11:34:13, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                Have you seen that I because when I looked the WALT tweet had been deleted ?

                  Re: Ricky Hill again

                  Posted by The Outsider on 31/7/2020, 11:44:32, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                  The response pretty well shows you what the original tweet said


                  Ricky Hill
                  @rickyahill

                  Jul 28
                  So youíre saying that despite all of the mitigating circumstances and ongoings at the club at the time , I should have done better , therefore Iím in the discussion for worst manager of ALL time? Ok .. got it 🙏🏾Clinking glasses htthttps://twitter.com/wearelutontown/status/1288241824797265920

                    Re: Ricky Hill again

                    Posted by The Orange Salopian on 31/7/2020, 15:14:09, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                    It's the problem with our fickle supporters, most have no idea what goes on other than what they see on a Saturday home game. Football is a complex business and thankfully we have owners now that have learnt a lot from their past mistakes, they understand that it takes time to build a successful football club and it is a lot deeper than what happens on a Saturday.

                    As much as I despise Nathan Jones how he has structured the club off the field is outstanding, Graeme Jones continued this and we have a real Championship set up now right through the club.

                    A manager comes into a club with a vision, the board buy into that and have to be prepared to give the manager the time to build vision. I think that 2020 understand that now and we are a better club for it.

                  Re: Ricky Hill again

                  Posted by Gothenburg Hatter on 31/7/2020, 11:26:47, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                  Very disrespectful if that's the case. Probably our greatest ever player who chose to stay with the club. His first job in management at a difficult for the club and wasn't giv5the support needed to make a success of it.

                    Re: Ricky Hill again

                    Posted by Mr T on 31/7/2020, 11:17:49, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                    How anyone can be considered worse than Buckle I will never understand. Absolutely clueless about football.

                  Re: Ricky Hill again

                  Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 10:54:13, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                  That team was rubbish.. but one prolific striker would have saved us from relegation.

                    Re: Ricky Hill again

                    Posted by HH on 31/7/2020, 10:56:22, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                    I love Ricky but he was doing a terrible job at manager.

                    This was the table the day after he was sacked. I think his sacking was reasonable giving the money he was allowed to spend and the performances in the league.

                    http://www.11v11.com/league-tables/league-division-2/16-november-2000/

                      Re: Ricky Hill again

                      Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 11:00:41, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                      He didn't really spend that much though. Well he spunked most of it on Ovendale.

                      But at the time he was a very highly rated keeper.

                        Re: Ricky Hill again

                        Posted by HH on 31/7/2020, 11:07:01, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                        £100k on Peter Thomson as well.

                        Left us with Ratz Fetz and Dean Brennan. He's a club legend but his managerial tenure is best forgotten.

                          Re: Ricky Hill again

                          Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 11:09:20, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                          But I doubt Thommo was on same sort of wages as Nicholls and all players BFJ signed etc..

                          He didn't have the full summer transfer window, so got desperate in the Autumn.

                            Re: Ricky Hill again

                            Posted by HH on 31/7/2020, 11:19:00, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                            He may not have had a full pre season but there wasn't any transfer window back then like now. And things weren't improving. Saying that, Fucillo and Kinnear weren't much better with the same team. But that Wrexham game was a disaster, the 3-0 to 3-4 one....horrible day. Pissed down with torrential rain as well if I remember correctly just to compound matters.

                              Re: Ricky Hill again

                              Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 11:27:40, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                              Most clubs still did maj. of business in Summer though.

                              And after a bad start, was hardly gonna attract anyone that good.

                                Re: Ricky Hill again

                                Posted by Cersai on 31/7/2020, 11:32:07, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                                If we only take the first 17 games (i think Ricky only had 17), it would be interesting to compare records of our past managers based on just that. Pleat, BFJ and NJ wouldn't be great. Buckle would look Ok!

                                  Re: Ricky Hill again

                                  Posted by HH on 31/7/2020, 15:13:46, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                                  As I (weirdly) enjoy doing this sort of stuff I've done what you asked for and wasted 30 mins of my life that I'm not getting back....!

                                  Column on the right points over a 46 game season based on their first 17 in charge.

                                  Best is Buckle, worst is actually Harford and then Pleat in his second spell before Hill.


                                    Re: Ricky Hill again

                                    Posted by EastEnder on 31/7/2020, 15:35:08, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                                    That sort of proves the point then - the same stats that people use to claim Ricky is the worst ever Luton manager point to Paul Buckle being the best ever.

                                      Re: Ricky Hill again

                                      Posted by HH on 31/7/2020, 15:46:57, in reply to "Re: Ricky Hill again"

                                      Haha!

                                      Some of our best ever managers have had fairly average starts and some of our worst ever managers have had fairly decent starts.

                                      I guess that proves 17 games is meaningless.

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