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    NHS Overseas Worker Fees

    Posted by The Outsider on 21/5/2020, 17:04:29

    The charge paid by overseas workers to use the NHS will be scrapped for health and care workers, the UK government has said.

    The health immigration surcharge on non-EU migrants is £400 per year and set to rise to £624 in October.

    Prime Minister Boris Johnson had been under pressure from some of his own MPs to scrap the charge for NHS workers.

    Full details will be announced in the coming days.




      Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

      Posted by Luton Outlier/Teacher on 21/5/2020, 21:18:23, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

      Forza Starmer.

        Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

        Posted by djs on 21/5/2020, 20:27:01, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

        24 hours after justifying the charge at PMQ's, saying that it was the right thing to do as it raised x amount for the treasury, and that it would stay in place.

        That was before Newsnight showed that his figures were so inaccurate it's untrue.

        Oh, and also a number of Backbenchers started mumbling about rebelling.

          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

          Posted by Laststraw on 21/5/2020, 20:44:12, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

          Yes watched Newsnight, as you say Johnson's figures way out.Probably why he's been kept out of the limelight recently, he doesn't do detail or anything else really. The Kings got no clothes.

          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

          Posted by Dr Foster on 21/5/2020, 17:38:06, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"



          Plundering the world for specialst medical staff is considered fair game I guess.

          But how many overseas staff are there, can we not train our own?

            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

            Posted by Since 85 on 21/5/2020, 17:56:16, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

            A lot, according to this (6 months old now and no idea if its reliable. Also lumps non uk workers all together rather than dividing into eu migrants and non eu migrants)

            https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/blogs/immigration-and-the-nhs-the-evidence

              Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

              Posted by Noddy on 21/5/2020, 17:53:57, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

              Training a doctor costs approximately £500,000. Hiring one from the third world costs nothing.

                Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                Posted by The Questioner on 21/5/2020, 19:44:47, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                Is that right ? Sounds a huge amount of money . Donít you have to pay to study medicine like any other degree? If so surely itís funded by the individual .

                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/5/2020, 19:58:23, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                  Who do you think pays the senior medical staff overseeing the student onsite?

                    Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                    Posted by The Questioner on 21/5/2020, 22:33:25, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                    If you are talking about medical school I would assume the same as any Professors ie tuition fees .
                    If you are talking about when somebody is qualified and on a ward for example then no way do you need £500k .

                      Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                      Posted by Nearly a Genius on 21/5/2020, 22:45:40, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                      What do you mean 'qualified and on a ward'?

                      They don't sit in classrooms without seeing a live but ill human being until they're fully qualified.

                      They learn on the job.

                        Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                        Posted by The Questioner on 22/5/2020, 8:35:08, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                        Try to remember the original point under discussion was that it costs £500k to become a Dr.
                        Because I didnít know the path to becoming a Dr I looked it up and pasted below . What appears to happen is that like any degree they complete they designated course and like any degree itís funded by the individual.
                        When they become a Dr and join a ward then of course they have further hands on training .,,,again just like many other jobs. So not sure how it costs the state £500k but happy to listen?

                        Becoming a doctor involves:
                        Good grades in Science A Levels, or a Science Foundation course.
                        A high level of English.
                        A medical degree, recognised by the General Medical Council (GMC)
                        Foundation Training as a Junior Doctor.
                        Specialist Training in specific areas.

                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                  Posted by Dr Foster on 21/5/2020, 19:24:51, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                  In which case why bother training any doctors and other specialists when we can just poach.

                  Lazy Brits don't want the jobs anyway.

                Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                Posted by Dorset Hatter on 21/5/2020, 17:11:41, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"


                And great response from Keir Starmer:

                ĎBoris Johnson is right to have u-turned and backed our proposal to remove the NHS charge on health professionals and care workers.
                This is a victory for common decency and the right thing to do.
                We cannot clap our carers one day and then charge them to use our BGS the next.í

                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                  Posted by joey diconio on 21/5/2020, 17:10:32, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                  Keir leading the way

                    Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                    Posted by Kbot on 21/5/2020, 17:23:00, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                    He shots, he scores.

                      Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                      Posted by Mr Woo on 21/5/2020, 17:22:48, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                      He couldnít lead the way out of a paper bag. Time will show this.

                        Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                        Posted by HH on 21/5/2020, 17:26:20, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                        Well, he's managed to get Johnson to u-turn in 24 hours and made him commit to 200k tests a day by the end of the month and a test and trace system in place by the next PMQs.

                        But Saville or donkey fields or something.

                          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                          Posted by bbb on 21/5/2020, 17:34:01, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                          He hasn't really though has he? Its an idea that has been discussed for a month or 2 now by members of both parties. To give Starmer the credit really is straw clutching.

                            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                            Posted by Farhat on 21/5/2020, 18:13:31, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                            Wasn't Johnson bullied into it by his own backbenchers? While Starmer can expose Johnson's lies, an 80 seat Tory majority means he has little real power.

                            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                            Posted by Mahatma Gander on 21/5/2020, 18:09:00, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                            Without a pack of baying morons behind him covering up the hesitation, mistakes and inaccuracies Johnson is hopelessly exposed though and will end up conceding ground continuously.

                            To be honest you or I could give him a run for his money when he's on his own like this. Even Homer could if they moved PMQs to a later time slot.

                              Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                              Posted by HH on 21/5/2020, 17:39:20, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                              There hadn't been any commitment to a date prior to yesterday for track and trace to be up and running. The govt is now accountable for that.

                              Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                              Posted by Hands free on 21/5/2020, 17:28:20, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                              How`s the baby sitting going pal?

                                Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                Posted by HH on 21/5/2020, 17:32:19, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                A lot better than your shit routine.

                                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                  Posted by Bless on 21/5/2020, 17:43:01, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                  Starting to seem like he's jealous thst you get to spend time alone with kids.

                                    Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                    Posted by HH on 21/5/2020, 17:44:17, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                    It does make me chuckle.

                                    As though the fact I've kids who can't go to school because they've been closed is an insult and exclusive to me.

                          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                          Posted by Since 85 on 21/5/2020, 17:08:23, in reply to "NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                          Decent, think they deserve that

                            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                            Posted by Suffolk Punch on 21/5/2020, 17:16:24, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                            An opposition finally serving its purpose in a meaningful way, and a government that has listened?

                            What the ####'s going on?

                              Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                              Posted by Bab on 21/5/2020, 17:26:06, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                              Full credit to the government for doing so.

                                Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                Posted by Bab on 21/5/2020, 19:15:14, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                Twat^^

                                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                  Posted by Laststraw on 21/5/2020, 18:12:37, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                  Full credit to the opposition for making the government change its mind. They wouldn't have done it without the pressure from Labour.
                                  He was also facing a back bench rebellion so he was getting stick from both side of the House.

                                    Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                    Posted by The Questioner on 21/5/2020, 19:48:57, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                    The opposition canít make the Government do anything . They can make suggestions and if itís a good idea like this one then the Government can make the changes .
                                    As posted above I think we all agree this is the correct decision by both sides of the house.

                                      Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                      Posted by Laststraw on 21/5/2020, 20:24:31, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                      Two u-turns in a day looks like weak government to me.

                                        Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                        Posted by The Questioner on 21/5/2020, 22:35:18, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                        Thatís maybe but I was just pointing out the opposition canít make the Government change anything if they donít want .

                                          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                          Posted by Suffolk Punch on 21/5/2020, 23:08:20, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                          So... the government weighing things up, being sensible and judging it was the right thing to do?

                                          Nah, we can't have that

                                            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                            Posted by OZ Hatter on 22/5/2020, 3:51:10, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                            Yeah right - Iím absolutely sure itíd got nothing at all to with Keir making him look a right cýnt across the Dispatch Box about it and bringing to everyoneís attention. Nothing at all.

                                              Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                              Posted by The Questioner on 22/5/2020, 8:42:04, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                              As most are in agreement that itís the right thing to do then if Boris hadnít been thinking about it well done Keir for bringing it to his attention.
                                              However if you think Boris is that bothered by Keir on the dispatch box you are clutching at straws . I hope the Labour Party really do get there act together and challenge the government sensibly and make them think about the actions they are taking . It is what the country needs right now .

                                                Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                Posted by OZ Hatter on 22/5/2020, 11:21:12, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                                Nice try shitforbrains but you're quite clearly letting your rabid defence of anything Tory stand in the way of your judgement.

                                                You're right about one thing though - that being that Boris doesn't give a shit. Not for me, you, or anybody else. All Boris is bothered about is Boris.

                                                  Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                  Posted by The Questioner on 22/5/2020, 14:54:43, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                                  Oh another potty mouth who thinks everyone with a different opinion to them is dumb. Jeez when are you going to learn calling someone stupid just makes you look really silly.

                                                  When you were losing an argument at school you would call somebody names...I guess you arent still at school so try growing up ...just a little bit.

                                                    Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                    Posted by OZ Hatter on 22/5/2020, 15:05:24, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"



                                                    You don't fool me shitforbrains. Quite a few others too it seems.

                                                      Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                      Posted by The Questioner on 23/5/2020, 0:35:14, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                                      Great response .... when you mean quite a few others you are referring to all those that lean left that always shout thatís wrong after the event , never have any ideas but call anybody who disagrees with them stupid .
                                                      Mate you are a real winner . Australiaís gain is certainly our loss.....

                                                        Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                        Posted by OZ Hatter on 23/5/2020, 1:40:11, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                                        You self righteous dick

                                                        Glad to see btw that you're now 'out of the closet' at last with that admission.

                                                          Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                          Posted by The Questioner on 23/5/2020, 10:40:29, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"

                                                          Another winning post from the land down under full of insight and reason.

                                                          Not sure there is any admission or what closet you think I have come out of but each to their own.

                                                            Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees

                                                            Posted by OZ Hatter on 23/5/2020, 12:22:14, in reply to "Re: NHS Overseas Worker Fees"



                                                            You just MUST have the word, don't you? No matter how much you've shown yourself up, no matter how much of an idiot you've made yourself look. Not just in this exchange but in every sequence of posts you contribute on here

                                                            I take you didn't have enough 'points'. I did

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