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    Is the BBC a National Treasure!

    Posted by Scooby-Doo on 12/2/2020, 9:47:46

    BBC Chairman says scrapping licence fee would 'weaken the nation'
    Sir David is expected to say: “Whilst no organisation is perfect, we play an important part in the nation’s life.

    Yeah just like
    Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE !

    Their arrogance is beyond belief.

      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

      Posted by HeathHatter on 12/2/2020, 12:29:14, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

      A Very English Scandal
      Rillington Place
      Sherlock
      Life On Mars
      Luther
      In the Thick of it
      Line of Duty
      Doctor Who
      Boys from the Blackstuff
      Our Friends in the North
      Grange Hill
      Top of the Pops
      The Office
      I'm Alan Partridge
      Yes Minister
      Porridge
      Monty Python
      Steptoe and Son
      Radio 4
      Radio 6
      etc
      etc
      etc

      Yeah, I'd say "National Treasure" just about covers it.

        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

        Posted by Andy Cappucino on 12/2/2020, 10:54:21, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

        Yes dig a hole and bury it

        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

        Posted by Noddy on 12/2/2020, 10:34:45, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

        This is the same Savile who was knighted by the national institution that is the Queen and regularly spent new year with the saintly Maggie Thatcher?

        Based on it's current format, I like a lot of the BBC. 6 music gives me a decent radio station to listen to on the way to and from work. That the right and left wing extremists both hate it's news output and think it's biased against them probably proves it is doing something right there.

        Ceebeebies gives access to kids TV that isn't saturated with adverts.

        There are bits I don't like. But it's meant to be a universal service so I'd expect this. I pay for sky TV and don't watch half of their channels.

          Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

          Posted by Music Critic on 12/2/2020, 10:58:23, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

          This is the same Savile who was knighted by the national institution that is the Queen and regularly spent new year with the saintly Maggie Thatcher?

          That thought occurred to me too. Especially as Scooby actually highlights his knighthood and OBE

          6 Music is great as is much of their radio output

            Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

            Posted by Garstang Hatter on 12/2/2020, 10:57:57, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

            +1 on the kids TV without ads. Targeting ads at kids shouldn't be allowed anyway in my view, but then I do understand that other commercial kids channels need to pay their way, so it's tricky. At least the BBC give us an ad-free option amongst the rest.

            Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

            Posted by J Block on 12/2/2020, 10:28:21, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

            Close it down, paid Saville vast amounts of money when they knew he was a paedo and sex pest.

              Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

              Posted by Dublin Tony on 12/2/2020, 10:14:27, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

              As a platform for the Open University they have helped countless people,school and educational programmes / radio / podcasts/ British films and they are regulated in the UK where they pay tax unlike other popular platforms.

                Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/2/2020, 10:11:02, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                Yes.

                  Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                  Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 9:59:30, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                  To you, maybe.

                  To many others - possible the majority, though not on here, they are a National Treasure. Like the NHS.

                  But no doubt you will get your way as the Tories seem to want to close down any questioning of their policies, other parties are critical too (surely a good thing, shows balance?) and as we can see from here lots of people want everything for nothing.

                    Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                    Posted by Suffolk Punch on 12/2/2020, 11:10:51, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                    There comes a time in everyone's lives that you realise Radio 4 has something to offer you. It's part of the process of growing up.

                    The beeb doesn't get everything right and some of its news/current affairs presenters find it difficult to hide their own leanings - a prime example being Huw Edwards. But overall it offers a good service, which, with the exception of what Lineker and others are paid, is value for money.

                    Plus there are no adverts.

                      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                      Posted by Watcher on 12/2/2020, 11:30:27, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                      That being the case what is your take on Demonic Cummings pulling the pin on any government ministers being interviewed on the 8.10 slot?

                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                        Posted by Suffolk Punch on 12/2/2020, 12:38:35, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                        Has he?
                        Hardly the beeb's fault, if true.

                      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                      Posted by Jeff on 12/2/2020, 10:34:24, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                      No! Never watch it. Been left miles behind. Too old and arrogant. Close it down. Won’t be missed at all!

                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                        Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 10:36:16, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                        As every single post of yours has been shit trolling Jeff, I'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

                          Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                          Posted by Bless on 12/2/2020, 10:34:57, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                        Posted by HH on 12/2/2020, 9:57:01, in reply to "Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                        I'm quite pro BBC but when I think pragmatically (or selfishly?) about it I do wonder why I'm forced to pay for it.

                        I have to pay more for the BBC then I do for Netflix and Prime and I watch a lot more television on there then I do the BBC.

                        In fairness my kids watch Cbeebies and stuff, and I do use the website, but then my children also watch other kids TV and I use other websites which I don't have to pay for! And the websites which do require a fee, ie The Times and The Athletic, I just don't bother with!

                          Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                          Posted by Bless on 12/2/2020, 10:29:34, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                          If you consider that the bbc produces some of the best and most groundbreaking broadcasting in the world is surely a sign of value for money on top of all the other services they offer. I expect much of the world is jealous of its reach and influence.

                          Some of the utter drivel that passes for documentary broadcasting on Netflix is so telling of a lack of effort or ambition that I often struggle to see it as worth paying the subscription fee.

                            Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                            Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 10:35:06, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                            I have a good mate who works with many of the digital channels, 'extending' 28-minute content to fill 55 mins by repeating scenes and graphics etc!

                            He used to work for the BBC and wishes he still did...

                              Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                              Posted by truth hurts on 12/2/2020, 10:57:12, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                              you should go back and actually watch most,maybe all of the bbc sitcoms etc, you can see it in the early, last of the summer wine,way back in 1973.
                              If you do you will clearly see advertising. off the top of my head, all around mrs browns, Brennans bread,Barrys tea Bush mills black bush irish whisky.
                              In one of the christmas or new year episodes elite chocolate kimberley.
                              Do a little research on duping delight, clearly visible when the kimberleys were advertised.
                              see for yourself, open all hours,sutton seeds,brillo pads,sunny jim firelighters,to name just a few.
                              just a very small example of blatant advertising by the bbc.

                                Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 11:00:38, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                And?

                                  Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                  Posted by truth hurts on 12/2/2020, 11:01:30, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                  the bbc advertise

                                    Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                    Posted by Bless on 12/2/2020, 11:03:14, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                    Slight difference between product placement (if it could be proved that the BBC gained from this in any way) and scheduled TV advertising.

                                      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                      Posted by Suffolk Punch on 12/2/2020, 11:17:27, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                      In scenes set in shops, you would expect to see branded products.

                                      Apart from Mrs Goggins' shop in Greendale.

                                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                        Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 11:25:55, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                        I have good reason to believe that 'truth hurts' is one of our resident tin-foil-helmet conspiracy theorists operating under a new(ish) name.

                                        Good post above btw, SP.

                                        Radio 4 by age-based osmosis...

                                          Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                          Posted by Bless on 12/2/2020, 11:31:57, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                          Likes to allude to being privy to proof of international conspiracies whilst lacking the basic intelligence to articulate any form of coherent viewpoint. Gets awfully upset when you don't play along.

                                          Probably the same oddball who used to frequently give dates for some kind of alt-right political revolution in the US. Still waiting for any od them to become reality.

                                            Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                            Posted by Watcher on 12/2/2020, 11:36:41, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                            Nah, Melters is usually a bit easier to pick off than that.

                                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/2/2020, 11:15:56, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                        Indeed. Especially when a programme set in Ireland on a British television station has Irish products as background props.

                                        And a programme set in a corner shop has products which are found in cornershops in the background.
                                        Product placement refers to products in full view at the front of the screen which the advertisers have paid to be seen in close-up, and is afaik illegal.

                                          Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                          Posted by crumpsall on 12/2/2020, 11:05:17, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                          Indeed.

                                          Beyond some, that, though.

                                    Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                    Posted by Bless on 12/2/2020, 10:44:55, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                    The amount of bullshit US Psuedo-science hanging around on those services is shocking as is the standard of film making. I can see it eventually killing off independent cinema and documentary film for good!

                                    Also a big fan of BBC World Service when traveling outside of Europe! Useful in times of confusion and alienation!

                                      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                      Posted by HH on 12/2/2020, 10:46:38, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                      Isn't Netflix about $12 billion in debt?

                                      It might not even last that long to kill off anything!

                                  Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                  Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/2/2020, 10:16:46, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                  Do Netflix and Prime offer national and local radio stations as well as 4 television stations (one online admittedly) and the website?

                                  Those are all paid for by the £3.25 or so a week licence.
                                  And if you pay for Sky or Virgin, you're probably paying for dozens of stations you never watch.

                                    Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                    Posted by HH on 12/2/2020, 10:19:04, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                    That's a fair point.

                                    But then is there an argument that those stations which would survive in a commercial world be allowed to do so meaning the licence fee becomes slimmed down?

                                      Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                      Posted by Trigger on 12/2/2020, 11:00:11, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                      For me out of all the channels I pay for (Virgin, Sky, BT etc.), the BBC licence is the best value by a million miles and worth every penny.

                                        Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!

                                        Posted by Nearly a Genius on 12/2/2020, 10:52:09, in reply to "Re: Is the BBC a National Treasure!"

                                        The only way they could survive in a commercial world would be to accept ever-increasing adverts.
                                        And Chiltern Radio used to broadcast Luton matches; since it was subsumed into Heart, it doesn't.
                                        Classic FM used to have about two advert slots in an hour, now there's about four, and its playlist is limited to 'popular' classics, while Radio 3 is more eclectic and wide-ranging.

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