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    This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

    Posted by Finchley on 13/1/2020, 20:13:41

    Richard Money - best win % in clubs history (I acknowledge he was bonkers)

    Brabin and Buckle - fair enough

    John Still - took us up as champions

    N Jones - fantastic manager for us

    M Harford - no need to comment

    G Jones - perceived as good appointment at time. Struggling but maybe 5 points off where we expected

      Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

      Posted by HH on 13/1/2020, 21:05:26, in reply to "This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

      Didn't 2020, after Brabin and Buckle etc, form a panel to conduct a managerial search and they in turn recommended Still?

      Did we have something similar with NJ and GJ?

      Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

      Posted by Abbott on 13/1/2020, 20:24:40, in reply to "This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

      To be fair, Brabin's record with us (in terms of stats i.e. win rate and defeat rate percentages etc) was relatively decent.

      His stats with Southport and Cambridge United, prior to joining us, were also decent.

      Buckle on the other hand...

        Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

        Posted by Grumpy on 14/1/2020, 11:08:49, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

        Come on lets be honest here football turns on fine margins. In Brabin`s case the width of half a post at Man City. Walker`s effort spins the other way and he`s the hero who pulled us out of the conference.
        I`ll leave it to those who know him and his coaching ability.

          Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

          Posted by Music Critic on 13/1/2020, 20:31:22, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

          Yes, that's a fair point. Brabin did go downhill very quickly though

            Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

            Posted by EastEnder on 13/1/2020, 20:40:23, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

            if you look back at the stats from his bad run it was something like 6 games though ie probably nearly as bad as it seems in hindsight.

            Another season when a moneybags team walked the league and budget wise at time we couldn't complete with Fleetwood.

            I'm sure Brabin tried to sign Vardy but Fleetwood just offered more money.

        Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

        Posted by EastEnder on 13/1/2020, 20:17:56, in reply to "This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

        Money was a nutcase. This is a man who had to be physically restrained by his staff to stop him physically attacking his own fans.

        It's probably Still, N Jones, Harford good.

        Money, Brabin and Buckle bad.

        So about 50 per cent..although the good achieved by the good ones basically far outweighs any damage the the bad ones caused.

          Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

          Posted by Ches Fordroad on 13/1/2020, 22:59:36, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

          I’d guess 50% is a pretty decent success rate

            Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

            Posted by Herve Baquet on 13/1/2020, 20:57:18, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

            Tbf despite him not being a pleasant bloke, the run we went on under Money almost took us up first try.

              Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

              Posted by The Scout on 13/1/2020, 20:40:49, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

              Brabin was extremely unlucky. The thickness of paint stopped him from earning legendary status.

              Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

              Posted by Music Critic on 13/1/2020, 20:29:48, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

              Probably also fair to compare with the previous owners' record since 1991:

              David Pleat mk2 (should have kept Jim Ryan)
              Terry Westley
              Limp Lennie Lawrence
              Ricky Hill
              Lil Fucillo
              Joe Kinnear
              Mike Newell
              Blackwell the c unt

              Kinnear and Newell were successful and Pleat got us to an FA cup semi

              But a) we were spending ridiculous money under Kinnear and b) Newell was an accidentally good (for a time) appointment

              So, 2020's 50-50 success rate (not including G Jones in this just yet) ain't bad

                Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                Posted by EastEnder on 13/1/2020, 20:34:35, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                plus doubt BFJ or Newell would have made it through 2020 recruitment process as they are both pretty flawed individuals IMO.

                  Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                  Posted by joey diconio on 13/1/2020, 20:41:16, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                  They’ve appointed Gary Brabin THREE times for ####s sake

                  Can’t be that robust

                    Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                    Posted by Mahatma Gander on 14/1/2020, 8:32:05, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                    Lots I hear from outside the club is down on Brabin.

                    And while I don't have exactly the inside track every time I've spoken to a board member or player about Brabin they have waxed lyrical about him.

                      Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                      Posted by Farhat on 13/1/2020, 21:31:10, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                      You wasted that post not defending Newell joey.

                      Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                      Posted by The Scout on 13/1/2020, 21:15:48, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                      Errr twice. He was taken on as Monkey's assistant then took over from him. Hardly three separate recruits. And you can't argue that they don't know him well, as opposed to you, who don't know him at all.

                      Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                      Posted by Music Critic on 13/1/2020, 20:40:28, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                      Also, Kinnear wouldn't have taken the job if he was told 'you have to work with a sensible budget'

                      It was all great fun at the time but little did we know that Watson-Challis, in the end, wasn't prepared to spend shit loads of money on the football club indefinitely

                        Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                        Posted by EastEnder on 13/1/2020, 20:43:05, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                        He managed to burn through about 13m in 3 seasons.

                        When he bought the club I think we were 10th in L1 and 3 years later he left us 10th in L1, having burned through 13m and sold the club to a gang of criminals!

                          Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                          Posted by Music Critic on 13/1/2020, 20:45:28, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                          Yep. We are mostly a bit naive expecting MWC to be some kind of Abrahmovic-type character and enjoying Kinnear's character and shit-housery

                          How stupid can you get! Kinnear did call most of us donuts

                            Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                            Posted by EastEnder on 13/1/2020, 20:49:25, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                            From what I remember his children or grandchildren , possibly Sheila too, were moaning about their inheritance being spunked away on a provincial 3rd division football club.

                            He would probably have been happy pouring more money in although it was never going to be sustainable long-term.

                            He did redeem himself when he helped TiL to oust Gurney.

                              Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers

                              Posted by Captain Anon on 14/1/2020, 4:09:35, in reply to "Re: This talk of 2020 having a poor record with managers "

                              I remember the meeting at Brache? when KC took the (BT 55) panel by surprise, "You can ask him yourself" as MW-C appeared.
                              Not familiar with his contribution behind the scenes.

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