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    so let me get this straight.

    Posted by M on 10/9/2019, 7:30:21

    Labour would agree a deal with the EU. And then campaign against it ?

      Re: so let me get this straight.

      Posted by Noddy on 10/9/2019, 8:08:39, in reply to "so let me get this straight. "

      Close. They would get the best possible deal from the eu. And because that deal will never be as good as our current arrangements they will let us vote on whether we want it. Being sensible types they wouldnít campaign for something that is worse than what we have now.

      Itís an honest strategy but itís not a vote winner imho. People are idiots and want simple solutions.

        Re: so let me get this straight.

        Posted by Realistic on 10/9/2019, 9:39:25, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

        Thatís about it. But people really do struggle to understand it (like the original poster for example)

        Re: so let me get this straight.

        Posted by Ted on 10/9/2019, 7:39:43, in reply to "so let me get this straight. "

        Thats right. They're also going to go against the will of a large numbers of traditional Labour voters who voted leave.

          Re: so let me get this straight.

          Posted by Starh on 10/9/2019, 8:31:27, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

          I don't see that, it was Labour heartlands and me that voted OUT and will vote against Labour for the first time ever at the next election.

            Re: so let me get this straight.

            Posted by wolfie on 10/9/2019, 8:10:11, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

            Labour voters overwhelmingly voted Remain, including in areas with Leave majorities.

            Its a myth that Brexiters and media have dreamed up that Labour voters were Leave.

            Mostly, because its a useful way to hide the fact that most prominent Brexiters want a low tax and low consumer, environmental and employment right protection outcome from Brexit.

            Or that their preferred No Deal Brexit outcome will absolutely hammer manufacturing, farming and fishing name but 3 sectors.

              Re: so let me get this straight.

              Posted by Bucks Hatter on 10/9/2019, 8:20:07, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

              Out of interest, I saw this recently on social media. Which of these are wrong? This isn't meant in an aggressive way, just curious if it's "fake news"!

              By votes:
              Leave 17.4m, Remain 16.1m
              By constituency:
              Leave 406, Remain 242
              By consituency party:
              Labour - Leave 148, Remain 84
              Conservatives - Leave 247, Remain 80
              By region:
              Leave 9, Remain 3
              By MP:
              Leave 160, Remain 486

              If the above is fake news, then fair enough. If it is correct, then it wouldn't be much of a myth that Labour voters were leave. Maybe in terms of numbers they're remain, as a large amount of Labour voters are based in London, but in a general election, they'd get slaughtered, right?

                Re: so let me get this straight.

                Posted by HH on 10/9/2019, 8:59:59, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

                I guess a Labour constituency voting leave doesn't mean Labour voters on the whole voted leave.

                Decent explanation here about the theory

                http://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1084797201828724736?s=19

                  Re: so let me get this straight.

                  Posted by Bucks Hatter on 10/9/2019, 9:13:50, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

                  Perhaps, and if it came to a second referendum then more Labour voters might vote to remain than to leave. However, in a general election with our voting system, the outcome doesn't look good for Labour. There are a lot of angry Labour constituencies, especially in Northern England.

                  It's an interesting thread, and I thank you for sharing, but I think it's a bit flimsy in the respect it asks about people who didn't vote in 2016 or 2017. Furthermore, one reply who is in agreement with the original tweeter seems to promote the idea that Brexit is a secondary issue, which I disagree with. The next General Election will be all about Brexit - in effect, a second referendum.

                    Re: so let me get this straight.

                    Posted by HH on 10/9/2019, 10:28:16, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

                    I do agree with some of what you're saying.

                    I think Labour would be much better coming out as a party for remain now.

                    I don't see how they would entice Leave supporting voters with their current policy so what is the point?

                    Also, they're effectively saying they would win power, spend probably 1-2 years negotiating a new deal only to campaign against it in a referendum which seems an almighty waste of time.

              Re: so let me get this straight.

              Posted by Ted 2 on 10/9/2019, 8:09:01, in reply to "Re: so let me get this straight. "

              The stupid old grandad has finally flipped.

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