Luton Outlaws - Independent Message Board for Luton Town FC

Well, I'm not really sure what you are disagreeing with but to respond to what you've said there...

I'm not getting in to the 'ours is bigger than theirs' club size argument as a lot of it is subjective but there is no way we are that far behind those clubs you refer to in terms of club size, especially with the new ground on the way. Plus, clubs can grow (as well as decline) and we were in a brilliant place to grow but relegation will set us back years - again, the point that me and others have been making

Of course Luton fans are embarrassed. And so they should be. It is absolutely fucking embarrassing! FIFTEEN away defeats in 18 away games. That is utterly pathetic

I was replying specifically to your point challenging HH when he says relegation would set us back years. I'm not responding to the OP's poll and original post. I'm not deriding or maligning anybody. It has been a massive collective fuck up from everyone involved on the sporting side of the business and no one person is responsible and the whole organisation needs to take stock on what went wrong

As you say, the C'ship is our natural home but it is probably Norwich, Cardiff and Stoke's too despite their fans' delusion that they're more than that. But we won't even be in the C'ship in August! That's the problem

No one is saying 'we're doomed forever'. Your putting words in people's mouths. We're saying it will probably take us years to recover.

And neither is anyone saying that there was a malicious plan to get things wrong. But, if someone did come in with the sole aim of sabotaging us, they couldn't have done a better job