i didnt care for kavanaugh, but i still suspect there was some kind of backroom deal where kennedy's retirement was contingent on that.
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I’d gladly trade a real conservative justice for Biden. Get it done Don/Mitch.
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i'll say this...
Posted by arthurkirkland on September 18, 2020, 10:17 pm, in reply to "RBG bites the dust!!!"
at the risk of pulling a viv here and sounding like a pussy, there are a lot of liberal icons i have disdain for on a personal level... ginsburg wasnt one of them. she had a viewpoint, but conducted herself with class. i do have sympathy for her family/friends tonight.
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i didnt care for kavanaugh, but i still suspect there was some kind of backroom deal where kennedy's retirement was contingent on that.
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I’d gladly trade a real conservative justice for Biden. Get it done Don/Mitch.
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I think this death will demoralize the Dem voter base
Posted by Plaza21 on September 19, 2020, 8:08 am, in reply to "RBG bites the dust!!!"
Because think about it. One of the main reasons for choosing a President is Supreme Court nominations. But if it’s already 6-3, I see lot of Dems giving up completely for the time being given the ages of the justices. Especially since there’s no enthusiasm for Biden, and most importantly no real difference in governance between a Trump presidency and a traditional (non far leftist) dem government. No President since probably FDR has given out this many handouts.
Meanwhile, this is another victory for Trump, and the GOP, and victories tend to carry with them enthusiasm to get the next thing done.
There has to be at least some disappointment from Trump voters on spending, the Wall, etc. But getting 3 conservative justices on the court, this close to Election Day, is going to reinforce that he is worth showing up again for.
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WSJ editorial
Posted by Potomac on September 19, 2020, 8:16 am, in reply to "RBG bites the dust!!!"
The death of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Friday leaves the Supreme Court without its liberal leader, and the timing inevitably means a titanic fight over her successor that has uncertain and perhaps momentous implications for the national elections only 45 days away. A year of political shocks now has another one.
Justice Ginsburg, who was 87, leaves an enormous legacy, and not only as the second female Justice who became a feminist hero....
The Justices’s legal views on most issues were not ours, though we cheered when she was among those who looked skeptically in recent years on abusive political prosecutions. As the Court moved modestly to the right in the last 15 years, the Justice became more vocal in her progressive views on and off the bench. She became known as the Notorious RBG for speaking more bluntly than most Justices do about both the Court and politics. Four years ago she apologized for making critical remarks about then candidate Donald Trump.
Her death leaves three solid liberals on the nine-member Court, and Justice Ginsburg understood the stakes in the decision of who will take her place. National Public Radio reported Friday that the Justice dictated this statement to her granddaughter Clara Spera only days before her death: “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.”
But her wish is not the Constitution’s command. The President has the power to nominate a successor as soon as he desires, and the Senate then has the power to confirm or not. The timing of that vote is a matter for the Senate to decide, and the current Senate can hold a confirmation vote even on the last day it is in session if it chooses.
Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement Friday evening that “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate.” He is right to hold such a vote. The GOP retained its Senate majority in 2018 in large part because of the political backlash from the smearing of Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Whether Mr. McConnell holds a vote before or after the election is a prudential political decision based on the likelihood of getting the votes for confirmation....
GOP voters will insist that a Republican Senate vote on Mr. Trump’s nominee in this Congress. Does anyone who has ever met Mr. Schumer think that he wouldn’t insist on a confirmation vote now if he were Majority Leader and a Democrat were President?
The Ginsburg vacancy, and the future of the Supreme Court, will now move front and center in the election. How that plays out is anyone’s guess. Mr. Trump this month added names to his public list of potential nominees, though the press barely paid attention. Joe Biden has declined to release a similar list, perhaps because his campaign feels it would betray liberal choices that would motivate conservative voters for whom the Court has become a dominant issue.
It’s a shame that the Court and the judiciary have become so central to American politics, but that is the legacy of decades of judicial activism. Even as we honor Justice Ginsburg, there is no escaping that political reality this year.
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in contrast to NYT editorial
Posted by Potomac on September 19, 2020, 8:26 am, in reply to "WSJ editorial"
Helps make life interesting to have different opinions out there.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died Friday at the age of 87, will forever have two legacies.
The one Americans could be focusing on right now is the one of legal trailblazer: Justice Ginsburg, the second woman ever to be appointed to the Supreme Court, paved the way for women’s equality before the law, and for women’s rights to be taken seriously by the courts and by society.
As an attorney she argued, and won, multiple cases at the Supreme Court in the 1970s, eventually persuading an all-male bench to apply the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause to sex-based discrimination....
The other legacy of Justice Ginsburg’s that the country is now urgently forced to confront is the cold political reality that she died in the final weeks of a presidential campaign, at a moment when President Trump and Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, appear to be dead-set on replacing her with someone who would obliterate much of the progress she helped the country make.
The court now faces a serious crisis of legitimacy. Senate Republicans, who represent a minority of the nation, and a president elected by a minority of the nation, are now in a position to solidify their control of the third branch of government. The Supreme Court, with another Trump appointee, could stand as a conservative firewall against the expressed will of a majority of Americans on a range of crucial issues.
The cynicism of the political moment stands in sharp relief against Justice Ginsburg’s idealism. She faced down multiple bouts of cancer and other health emergencies during her tenure on the bench. Through it all, she never wavered in her commitment to the court as a vehicle for a more just and more equal America. She was a dogged, tireless fighter — it was easy to imagine she might live another 20 years, battling back whatever came at her. Of course, we knew better.
Defending her decision not to retire when President Barack Obama could have picked her replacement, she said, “There will be a president after this one, and I’m hopeful that that president will be a fine president.” She never anticipated President Donald Trump, whom she called a “faker” during a 2016 interview. She shouldn’t have said it, but she was right.
Everyone who cares about the integrity of the nation’s highest court has been dreading a moment like this — the death of a justice as Americans are already casting their ballots in the most contentious and consequential presidential election in living memory. The future of the court now rests in the hands of Mr. McConnell, the man who has done more damage to the court’s standing than perhaps anyone in modern American history.
With Mr. McConnell’s help, President Trump has already filled two seats on the court with hard-right ideologues. The first, Neil Gorsuch, is a justice solely because of Mr. McConnell’s obstruction, on false pretenses, of President Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland. The second, Brett Kavanaugh, was a highly contentious nominee with a long, troubling record in government that Mr. McConnell hid from the American people. And that was before Mr. Kavanaugh faced credible allegations of sexual assault.
At least there was no question about the circumstances surrounding the vacancy that Justice Kavanaugh filled. In contrast, Justice Gorsuch’s seat is forever stained by Mr. McConnell’s outrageous ploy to deny a Democratic president an appointment. At the time, the majority leader claimed that he was holding open the seat that had been held by Justice Antonin Scalia because it was an election year, and the American people should have a “voice” in choosing the next justice.
Mr. McConnell disavowed that position almost immediately, claiming that it only applies when the presidency and the Senate are controlled by different parties. On Friday night, he said, “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate” — even though the election is less than two months away. So much for the American people.
Throughout the Trump years, Republicans have shown little willingness to place principle above party, or to place the long-term interests of the nation above short-term political victories. But perhaps a few Republican senators will take the quickened pulse of the nation and consider the case to postpone resolving Justice Ginsburg’s replacement....
idk. they were already angry, but i think it will get ugly.*
you make some good points, but i expect to see a lot of losers in the street rioting.
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Because think about it. One of the main reasons for choosing a President is Supreme Court nominations. But if it’s already 6-3, I see lot of Dems giving up completely for the time being given the ages of the justices. Especially since there’s no enthusiasm for Biden, and most importantly no real difference in governance between a Trump presidency and a traditional (non far leftist) dem government. No President since probably FDR has given out this many handouts.
Meanwhile, this is another victory for Trump, and the GOP, and victories tend to carry with them enthusiasm to get the next thing done.
There has to be at least some disappointment from Trump voters on spending, the Wall, etc. But getting 3 conservative justices on the court, this close to Election Day, is going to reinforce that he is worth showing up again for.
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i'll add this...
Posted by arthurkirkland on September 19, 2020, 10:28 am, in reply to "i'll say this..."
if.... IF... reports of her "last wish" are true, thats a serious stain on her legacy.
i lose a lot of respect for her if her main concern is in trying to exert dominion over a supreme court seat even after her death. she held that seat for a quarter century... let someone else have a turn. i hate people in privilege who think its all about them rather than we the people. that kind of greed and selfishness represents the worst of our system.
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at the risk of pulling a viv here and sounding like a pussy, there are a lot of liberal icons i have disdain for on a personal level... ginsburg wasnt one of them. she had a viewpoint, but conducted herself with class. i do have sympathy for her family/friends tonight.
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If Biden wins, expect Breyer to resign during Biden's term
He's 82 and won't want to risk losing his seat to whoever wins in 24.
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Because think about it. One of the main reasons for choosing a President is Supreme Court nominations. But if it’s already 6-3, I see lot of Dems giving up completely for the time being given the ages of the justices. Especially since there’s no enthusiasm for Biden, and most importantly no real difference in governance between a Trump presidency and a traditional (non far leftist) dem government. No President since probably FDR has given out this many handouts.
Meanwhile, this is another victory for Trump, and the GOP, and victories tend to carry with them enthusiasm to get the next thing done.
There has to be at least some disappointment from Trump voters on spending, the Wall, etc. But getting 3 conservative justices on the court, this close to Election Day, is going to reinforce that he is worth showing up again for.
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and a final thought.
Posted by arthurkirkland on September 19, 2020, 11:44 am, in reply to "i'll add this..."
ive seen a lot of social media examples today where liberals are praising their icon RBG for bravely fighting to her last breath and trying to make it to 2020. ok.
but my internal rebuttal is "if she was just trying to make it into a democrat presidency, wasn't it kind of selfish of her not to retire 4 or 5 years ago under obama?"
i suspect she believed that President Trump would lose to hillary and that hillary would be able to pick er replacement. the symbolism of a the first female president picking her replacement may have been important to her ego. obviously President Trump won and became President though, and hillary was defeated, so that never happened.
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if.... IF... reports of her "last wish" are true, thats a serious stain on her legacy.
i lose a lot of respect for her if her main concern is in trying to exert dominion over a supreme court seat even after her death. she held that seat for a quarter century... let someone else have a turn. i hate people in privilege who think its all about them rather than we the people. that kind of greed and selfishness represents the worst of our system.
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at the risk of pulling a viv here and sounding like a pussy, there are a lot of liberal icons i have disdain for on a personal level... ginsburg wasnt one of them. she had a viewpoint, but conducted herself with class. i do have sympathy for her family/friends tonight.
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the air seemed to smell sweeter today with this b1tch in hell
Posted by djtexillini on September 19, 2020, 6:32 pm, in reply to "RBG bites the dust!!!"
didn’t it?
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It’s the most satisfying political win since Election Day 2016
For one, it was unexpected. And unexpected wins always feel better than winning as a favorite. Then you got max pain on the Dem side, because they realize if they’d just kept her propped up corpse alive only a few more months it could have made all the difference. They were so close lol. And on the GOP side we got a 6-3 court for the first time in forever. And I think just a renewed sense of the Lord looking over this country.
It feels like good adrenaline booster going into the election. Shot of confidence. A 6-3 court with a GOP Senate at worst makes the 2020 Pres election somewhat inconsequential.
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didn’t it?
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Yes, a majority of the country voted for someone other than Trump, but the NYT pretending that Democrats are a unified majority on issues is just plain crazy. They can’t even come close to agreeing with themselves on almost any topic.
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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died Friday at the age of 87, will forever have two legacies.
The one Americans could be focusing on right now is the one of legal trailblazer: Justice Ginsburg, the second woman ever to be appointed to the Supreme Court, paved the way for women’s equality before the law, and for women’s rights to be taken seriously by the courts and by society.
As an attorney she argued, and won, multiple cases at the Supreme Court in the 1970s, eventually persuading an all-male bench to apply the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause to sex-based discrimination....
The other legacy of Justice Ginsburg’s that the country is now urgently forced to confront is the cold political reality that she died in the final weeks of a presidential campaign, at a moment when President Trump and Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, appear to be dead-set on replacing her with someone who would obliterate much of the progress she helped the country make.
The court now faces a serious crisis of legitimacy. Senate Republicans, who represent a minority of the nation, and a president elected by a minority of the nation, are now in a position to solidify their control of the third branch of government. The Supreme Court, with another Trump appointee, could stand as a conservative firewall against the expressed will of a majority of Americans on a range of crucial issues.
The cynicism of the political moment stands in sharp relief against Justice Ginsburg’s idealism. She faced down multiple bouts of cancer and other health emergencies during her tenure on the bench. Through it all, she never wavered in her commitment to the court as a vehicle for a more just and more equal America. She was a dogged, tireless fighter — it was easy to imagine she might live another 20 years, battling back whatever came at her. Of course, we knew better.
Defending her decision not to retire when President Barack Obama could have picked her replacement, she said, “There will be a president after this one, and I’m hopeful that that president will be a fine president.” She never anticipated President Donald Trump, whom she called a “faker” during a 2016 interview. She shouldn’t have said it, but she was right.
Everyone who cares about the integrity of the nation’s highest court has been dreading a moment like this — the death of a justice as Americans are already casting their ballots in the most contentious and consequential presidential election in living memory. The future of the court now rests in the hands of Mr. McConnell, the man who has done more damage to the court’s standing than perhaps anyone in modern American history.
With Mr. McConnell’s help, President Trump has already filled two seats on the court with hard-right ideologues. The first, Neil Gorsuch, is a justice solely because of Mr. McConnell’s obstruction, on false pretenses, of President Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland. The second, Brett Kavanaugh, was a highly contentious nominee with a long, troubling record in government that Mr. McConnell hid from the American people. And that was before Mr. Kavanaugh faced credible allegations of sexual assault.
At least there was no question about the circumstances surrounding the vacancy that Justice Kavanaugh filled. In contrast, Justice Gorsuch’s seat is forever stained by Mr. McConnell’s outrageous ploy to deny a Democratic president an appointment. At the time, the majority leader claimed that he was holding open the seat that had been held by Justice Antonin Scalia because it was an election year, and the American people should have a “voice” in choosing the next justice.
Mr. McConnell disavowed that position almost immediately, claiming that it only applies when the presidency and the Senate are controlled by different parties. On Friday night, he said, “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate” — even though the election is less than two months away. So much for the American people.
Throughout the Trump years, Republicans have shown little willingness to place principle above party, or to place the long-term interests of the nation above short-term political victories. But perhaps a few Republican senators will take the quickened pulse of the nation and consider the case to postpone resolving Justice Ginsburg’s replacement....
Politically that is the best and worst part about the Democratic party right now
Yes, a majority of the country voted for someone other than Trump, but the NYT pretending that Democrats are a unified majority on issues is just plain crazy. They can’t even come close to agreeing with themselves on almost any topic.
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Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died Friday at the age of 87, will forever have two legacies.
The one Americans could be focusing on right now is the one of legal trailblazer: Justice Ginsburg, the second woman ever to be appointed to the Supreme Court, paved the way for women’s equality before the law, and for women’s rights to be taken seriously by the courts and by society.
As an attorney she argued, and won, multiple cases at the Supreme Court in the 1970s, eventually persuading an all-male bench to apply the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause to sex-based discrimination....
The other legacy of Justice Ginsburg’s that the country is now urgently forced to confront is the cold political reality that she died in the final weeks of a presidential campaign, at a moment when President Trump and Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, appear to be dead-set on replacing her with someone who would obliterate much of the progress she helped the country make.
The court now faces a serious crisis of legitimacy. Senate Republicans, who represent a minority of the nation, and a president elected by a minority of the nation, are now in a position to solidify their control of the third branch of government. The Supreme Court, with another Trump appointee, could stand as a conservative firewall against the expressed will of a majority of Americans on a range of crucial issues.
The cynicism of the political moment stands in sharp relief against Justice Ginsburg’s idealism. She faced down multiple bouts of cancer and other health emergencies during her tenure on the bench. Through it all, she never wavered in her commitment to the court as a vehicle for a more just and more equal America. She was a dogged, tireless fighter — it was easy to imagine she might live another 20 years, battling back whatever came at her. Of course, we knew better.
Defending her decision not to retire when President Barack Obama could have picked her replacement, she said, “There will be a president after this one, and I’m hopeful that that president will be a fine president.” She never anticipated President Donald Trump, whom she called a “faker” during a 2016 interview. She shouldn’t have said it, but she was right.
Everyone who cares about the integrity of the nation’s highest court has been dreading a moment like this — the death of a justice as Americans are already casting their ballots in the most contentious and consequential presidential election in living memory. The future of the court now rests in the hands of Mr. McConnell, the man who has done more damage to the court’s standing than perhaps anyone in modern American history.
With Mr. McConnell’s help, President Trump has already filled two seats on the court with hard-right ideologues. The first, Neil Gorsuch, is a justice solely because of Mr. McConnell’s obstruction, on false pretenses, of President Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland. The second, Brett Kavanaugh, was a highly contentious nominee with a long, troubling record in government that Mr. McConnell hid from the American people. And that was before Mr. Kavanaugh faced credible allegations of sexual assault.
At least there was no question about the circumstances surrounding the vacancy that Justice Kavanaugh filled. In contrast, Justice Gorsuch’s seat is forever stained by Mr. McConnell’s outrageous ploy to deny a Democratic president an appointment. At the time, the majority leader claimed that he was holding open the seat that had been held by Justice Antonin Scalia because it was an election year, and the American people should have a “voice” in choosing the next justice.
Mr. McConnell disavowed that position almost immediately, claiming that it only applies when the presidency and the Senate are controlled by different parties. On Friday night, he said, “President Trump’s nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the United States Senate” — even though the election is less than two months away. So much for the American people.
Throughout the Trump years, Republicans have shown little willingness to place principle above party, or to place the long-term interests of the nation above short-term political victories. But perhaps a few Republican senators will take the quickened pulse of the nation and consider the case to postpone resolving Justice Ginsburg’s replacement....
She asked about stepping down during the Obama administration and choose not to
For one, it was unexpected. And unexpected wins always feel better than winning as a favorite. Then you got max pain on the Dem side, because they realize if they’d just kept her propped up corpse alive only a few more months it could have made all the difference. They were so close lol. And on the GOP side we got a 6-3 court for the first time in forever. And I think just a renewed sense of the Lord looking over this country.
It feels like good adrenaline booster going into the election. Shot of confidence. A 6-3 court with a GOP Senate at worst makes the 2020 Pres election somewhat inconsequential.
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didn’t it?
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I think celberating her death is a bit over board. From what I have read, she was a stand up lady
Yes, the narrative that she overcame misogyny from the Jeff Franks of the world is cute and all... but the power she wielded from the bench of the highest court must be evaluated in proper context. She cast some pretty incredible votes in some rather significant decisions that cannot be ignored or forgotten, ever. I only hope she suffered a lot at the end.
on September 18, 2020, 7:19 pm
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