Posted by Ken Descovich on June 23, 2025, 7:24 pm Edited by board administrator June 24, 2025, 6:34 am
Fellow collectors I have some pictures of a quality 4 serial number 19213 Syracuse New York gun that has some features that are different than I usually see, based on the time frame of manufacture the frame contours are more in line with the early Fulton period. The stepped sideplates are always a nice feature making the guns more sophisticated look. Any observations or comments are appreciated.
Re: Test
Posted by Ken Descovich on June 23, 2025, 7:27 pm, in reply to "Test"
Another picture
Re: Syracuse Quality 4
Posted by David Williamson on June 25, 2025, 6:45 am, in reply to "Syracuse Quality 4"
Ken, I was following the auction on Gun Broker. It is unusual to see a Quality 4 with stepped lock plates. The barrels were cut but only 1/2" so there is still choke. It looked to have a sloppy fit on the recoil pad and someone got carried away with the polyurethane. As you stated, has features found on early Fulton guns, narrow convex ribs on receiver, looks to have the slanted breech balls.
I do have pictures of 19182 a Qlty 4, completely different, large convex ribs, rounded breech balls that almost touch the locks.
There are mysteries that we will probably never figure out.
One of our members has a Gr. 5 2207x, top of barrel Hunter Arms Makers, Fulton, N.Y. has the rounded receiver lug, typical Fulton engraving for a Grade 5. Did the early Fulton guns of 1889 start their serial numbers after the last Syracuse serial numbers in the 22,000's? But, I also have serial number in that 23000 range that do have the squared lug, but no maker's name on barrel, also I have one that goes as high as 36992 a Qlty 3/Gr.3 10 gauge that has a squared lug, convex ribs, large breech balls that does have Hunter Arms on the top rib.
The hammer guns aren't as confusing to figure out age.
Unless the records from Syracuse surface, we might never know.
Thanks David it was sure odd to see, the listing said 31" barrels but they also stated 1919 year manufactured which was wrong. I do not know who the new owner is but they have a very interesting gun. Ken
