Posted by Drew Hause on May 27, 2021, 1:24 pm
Edited by board administrator May 28, 2021, 11:56 am

In the (possibly hopeless ) hope of clarification, here's what I have. Unfortunately, I failed to document the grade of some guns, or the source of the images. PLEASE correct (based on a Research letter or frame stamp) and add the DOM is possible. The No. 1 was introduced in 1890 and should not have the point on the top of the frame, nor engraving on the breech balls. There were very simple embellishments at the front, top corner and back of the lockplate. As we'll see with the No. 2 and No. 3 patterns, things changed however from early to late. I think this is Craig's 10g and an early No. 1 with the American scroll/nautilus pattern; note nothing on the breech ball. I don't have the DOM Another 10g and similar; also no DOM Probably a later No. 1 without the added engraving around the pins Later with a simple floral pattern

Posted by Drew Hause on May 27, 2021, 1:32 pm, in reply to "No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 engraving patterns"
Edited by board administrator May 28, 2021, 12:37 pm

The No. 2 was also introduced in 1890 and have the point at the top of the frame, and some engraving on the breech balls A 1890 No. 2 with very simple engraving on breech balls & lockplate

Posted by Drew Hause on May 27, 2021, 1:37 pm, in reply to "Early No. 2 engraving patterns"

There is little doubt that there was a standard template for the pattern, with the (apprentice?) engraver choosing the birdies The usual quail in a circle Duck Quail with no circle

Posted by Drew Hause on May 27, 2021, 1:45 pm, in reply to "Later No. 2 engraving patterns"

Flying ducks in an oval Floating ducks Quail Quail with no oval Quail in a tree Woodcock

Posted by Drew Hause on May 27, 2021, 1:49 pm, in reply to "No. 3 engraving patterns"

An A1-like setter Quail right Stag left

Posted by Tom Archer on May 27, 2021, 9:01 pm, in reply to "Unusual No. 3 engraving patterns"

And what about the engraving on this Grade 3E? free image hosting And what about this 3E special ordered with Monogram Grade checkering and ribbon work, but Grade 3 standard engraving? Bottom line is that one who studies the pre-13 LC Smith gun will often find unusual engraving and other features on a No. 3 Smith gun.

Posted by Will Evans on May 27, 2021, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Unusual No. 3 engraving patterns"

Posted by Drew Hause on May 28, 2021, 11:59 am, in reply to "No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 engraving patterns"

Posted by Drew Hause on May 28, 2021, 12:35 pm, in reply to "Syracuse Quality No. 2"

Note the sculpted ribs on the bottom of the frame

Posted by Drew Hause on May 28, 2021, 12:39 pm, in reply to "? Transition Quality No. 2"

Another with a nautilus pattern and more engraving on the lockplate. Houchins' has a similar gun on p. 89 labeled "Quality No. 2 Fulton Gun" that also has the frame ribs

Posted by Stanley Hackett on May 28, 2021, 8:44 pm, in reply to "No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 engraving patterns"

Posted by Drew Hause on May 29, 2021, 7:40 am, in reply to "Re: No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 engraving patterns"

Posted by Jim Stubbendieck on May 29, 2021, 9:13 am, in reply to "Re: No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 engraving patterns"

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