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4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on August 25, 2020, 11:38 pm

Noticed on my 4E the barrel is a 6 digit number where the numbers on the forearm and receiver are 4 digits ?

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Tom Archer on August 26, 2020, 10:10 am, in reply to "4E barrel numbers"

Hunter always placed the full serial number of a gun on the frame, barrels, and fore iron; never partial numbers, so on the surface it appears yours may be a composed gun. Nothing wrong with that if all parts are correctly fitted, although non-original parts do impact value. But post some pics of the parts and we can better advise you as to originality.

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on August 26, 2020, 1:25 pm, in reply to "4E barrel numbers"

Thanks Tom, see photos. This is a 4E with ejectors and a Lard single selective trigger.

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Drew Hause on August 26, 2020, 3:41 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Joe: your nice 1898 4E was originally fitted with either Chain or "Fine 3 Rod Damascus", or Nitro Steel (have you requested a Research Letter?). At some point it received a set of 1908 Armor Steel barrels from a 00E. Had the new barrels been fitted at Hunter Arms, they would have received the original SN. Replacement Nitro steel barrels would have cost about 1/2 of the full 4E price.

This unfortunately was a not uncommon scenario when the dangers of damascus became common knowledge in the 20s and 30s. That "common knowledge" was false knowledge however
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LFnSG34k3mBhLEjEgU267wAlIa215MNVQZhIiY62Hx4/edit

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on August 26, 2020, 10:07 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Thanks Drew for the information. Any source for finding out the history of this barrel ? I got this gun from a old friend years ago who bought it from a Reno, Nv. Gun shop 35 years ago. I'm not real knowledgeable about these old guns but appreciate the handmade quality. Have Parkers,21s, Foxes, Ithacas, Lefevers and others. I'm a member of a SXS club in Northern California. Need to get a letter. Joe

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Drew Hause on August 27, 2020, 8:18 am, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

You will want to request Research Letters for both the gun and the barrel Joe. No. 00s were usually ordered in bulk by sporting goods and hardware stores, and the shipping records unfortunately may not document the original purchaser/store. The records should include the purchaser of your 4E, and possibly the original barrel composition.
https://lcsca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=43784&module_id=245742

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on November 3, 2020, 9:57 am, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Pictures and numbers of my 4E. Question numbers on the replace barrel ? Are the serial type numbers traceable? The stock with the adjustable comb is the original stock.

Tks,

Joe Winnicki

picture upload

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on November 3, 2020, 1:57 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Serial number on receiver and forearm 2566

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Jim Stubbendieck on November 4, 2020, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Mr. Winnicki

If you order a research letter and provide the serial number on the frame and the serial number on the barrels, I will include the information for both in a single letter.

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on November 7, 2020, 8:14 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Sure. Best way to contact you ?

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Jim Stubbendieck on November 8, 2020, 4:59 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

The contact information is on the website:

https://lcsca.clubexpress.com/content.aspx?page_id=22&club_id=43784&module_id=245742

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Joe Winnicki on May 30, 2021, 6:29 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Hi Jim, based on the responses I received on my 4E that left the factory as a grade OO according to your letter using the pictures that I posted on the site would be possible for you to up grade my factory letter ? (See November 8th post) Thank You, Joe Winnicki

4E vs. No.00

Posted by Jim Stubbendieck on May 30, 2021, 9:13 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Mr. Winnicki

I looked at your research letter request and rechecked the ledgers. The information presented in the letter was correct. However, when looking at the photos that you posted I saw that the Serial Numbers of the frame and barrels were reversed in the request. I will rewrite your letter with the correct information.

You and everyone else can be assured that we will not "upgrade" research letters, but we will correct errors

Re: 4E vs. No.00

Posted by Joe Winnicki on June 6, 2021, 9:47 am, in reply to "4E vs. No.00"

Thanks, Jim

Re: 4E barrel numbers

Posted by Jerry Andrews on June 24, 2021, 12:51 pm, in reply to "Re: 4E barrel numbers"

Joe; I don’t believe that adjustable stock is correct. I’ve restocked 383 of these guns back to factory specs. Pretty sure that one is not correct.

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