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DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Bill Murphy on April 6, 2020, 9:26 am

Just received my Spring 2002 DGJ and read Tom Breeden's great article on Eagle Grade Traps, single and double. I knew my friend Tom had another article in his hopper.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mills Morrison on April 7, 2020, 9:48 am, in reply to "DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Just received mine yesterday and have not had a chance to read it, but am looking forward to that article in particular

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by craig larter on April 7, 2020, 4:08 pm, in reply to "DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Tom I enjoyed your article very much, I am the proud owner of a Eagle Long Range with straight grip, 32" bbls, double triggers and extractors.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on April 8, 2020, 8:08 am, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Craig: I recall from your articles in the DGJ that you are a 'waterfowler' so it doesn't surprise me that you have a Smith Long Range to down those ducks in upper northwest New York. You are fortunate to have one of 29 Eagles so marked. Your post got me thinking that I don't remember ever seeing a Long Range in any grade with all options, vent rib, single trigger, ejectors, beavertail. I am sure they are out there; perhaps someone reading this will post an example.

Mills: I hope you have had a chance to read and enjoy the article; if you learned anything then 'mission accomplished'

Bill: Thanks for starting this thread

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on April 11, 2020, 8:43 am, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Now I know why no one responded to my invitation to post examples of Long Range fully optioned guns. A recent record check by Jim Stubbendieck indicates only eight guns so configured:
SN 84067 Crown 32 inches
109326 Crown 32 inches
112897 Crown 32 inches
104052 Specialty 32 inches
119839 Specialty 32 inches
100409 Trap 30 inches
105552 Trap 32 inches
111708 Trap 32 inches

Note that all with the exception of one have long 32 inch barrels and all were made between the years of 1925 and 1929, inclusive

No fully optioned guns were found marked Wild Fowl

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Vance Henretty on April 12, 2020, 10:59 am, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

I have Crown # 112897. Beautiful gun

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on April 12, 2020, 2:46 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Rolf
I guess I don't have to tell you, 'you have a great gun" but I'll say it anyway.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on April 19, 2020, 10:51 am, in reply to "DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

A member informs me he has serial number 89697M that is a fully optioned Long Range Monogram with extra barrels. The records do not show the LR designation but that is not unusual as sometimes these extra markings, as well as others, are not recorded.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Archer on April 20, 2020, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Tom, Great information and a very informative article; super job and thanks for your efforts on these rare Eagles!

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on April 21, 2020, 12:18 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Thanks Tom. I neglected to report that the Monogram barrels are 32 inches and 28 inches choked F & F with reinforcing splinter behind barrel loop and composed of Whitworth steel. Gun was shipped with both barrels in March 1926 so it falls right in line with the other eight listed above

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on June 20, 2020, 3:51 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Hi Tom, In Feb. 2019 I acquired an LCS, Specialty grade, 12 ga, ejector, Long-Range, 3" chambers, with 32" F/F, hunter-one trigger, BT forend, with 2' DAH. s/n RE 772xx. Was this made in 1925?

It is an all original gun, perfect screws, and never messed with. I wonder if this fits into a rarety LCS category? Thank you.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Michael Hannon on June 20, 2020, 3:52 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Hi Tom, In Feb. 2019 I acquired an LCS, Specialty grade, 12 ga, ejector, Long-Range, 3" chambers, with 32" F/F, hunter-one trigger, BT forend, with 2' DAH. s/n RE 772xx. Was this made in 1925?

It is an all original gun, perfect screws, and never messed with. I wonder if this fits into a rarety LCS category? Thank you.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Archer on June 20, 2020, 5:21 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

"I wonder if this fits into a rarety LCS category"?

Mike, the only way to answer your question is for you to request a research letter from Dr. Jim Stubbendieck. With your serial number Jim can give you the exact ship date, all options ordered with the gun, and exactly how many Specialties were made with those same options. Knowing that information only serves to increase the value of your Smith.

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on June 21, 2020, 12:46 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Michael, I believe your gun was made in 1924 about one year before it is reported that Hunter Arms started placing vent ribs on double barrel guns. Since you didn't indicate the presence of a vent rib on your gun I assume it is without one. Even without the vent rib you have an excellent gun but the only way to find its uniqueness is through a research letter as Tom Archer has suggested

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on June 22, 2020, 8:01 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Hi Tom, this gun is at my home on the Chessie, I will check for the vent rib this week. I have ordered a research letter as of this morning.
Thank you.Mike

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on June 27, 2020, 11:30 am, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Tom,12 ga. my Speciality, Long Range does Not have the vent rib. Mike

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on June 29, 2020, 5:08 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Tom, I got the research letter today. My Speciality
12 x 32" Long Range with Hunter One, ejectors, and beavertail forend is indeed unique. There were only 2 guns made in this exact configuration. Mike

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on June 29, 2020, 5:52 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Tom, research letter came today. 1 of 2 guns that
were made in my exact configuration, thanks, Mike

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Breeden on June 29, 2020, 6:12 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Mike, the letter confirms that your LR gun is rarer than the eight ones with vent ribs; emphasizing the value of a research letter as well

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Tom Archer on June 29, 2020, 7:53 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Mike
That is indeed great news; and we're all very happy for you. Your experience is exactly why the value of a research letter can be invaluable!

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on July 2, 2020, 11:50 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Thanks that was wonderful news. MH

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Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden

Posted by Mike Hannon on July 2, 2020, 11:51 pm, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

Hey Tom, I am now a believer....mike

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Closing this long thread

Posted by Jim Stubbendieck on July 3, 2020, 8:44 am, in reply to "Re: DGJ Article on Eagle Grades, Tom Breeden"

I am closing this long thread, but please feel free to start a new one on the same subject.

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